A little poll for the Referendum... if interested....

purpleshoes_2

picklekin wrote: »

I'll be really sad if Scotland leaves... I am dismayed about some of the ill feeling the seems to be towards the normal English (non Tory voting) people. Hopefully this is just media hype and you love us really!

Sorry, but Ive been on facebook all morning watching people tear one another apart. Its going both ways, theres been horrible comments from English people to Scots as well.

The flak Andy Murray is getting on his facebook page for changing his mind and supporting the yes campaign is unbelievable.

There will always be idiots out there. My grandparents parents were English, they came up from Northumberland to work in the steelworks, my mum has an English maiden name.

My other grandparents were Irish and came over to get away from the troubles.

If I like people I like them, nothing to do with whether they are English or Irish or any other country and that wont change whether I wake up still part of the Uk or not tomorrow.

Tropez

purpleshoes wrote: »

If I like people I like them, nothing to do with whether they are English or Irish or any other country and that wont change whether I wake up still part of the Uk or not tomorrow.

Well, to be fair, you'll still be part of the UK tomorrow no matter how the vote goes.

Come March 2016 mind...

purpleshoes_2

Tropez wrote: »

I live in a town that was destroyed under Thatcher as well. It was a mining town. The mines closed. Then peripheral industries went under too. I do understand Scottish angst, I do believe that Scotland should be permitted to run their own affairs and believe in devo max.

But, and yes, it is purely selfish, if Scotland leaves the union, the Conservatives will get their EU referendum and as things stand we'll leave the EU. My employer has already told all of us that if we leave the EU, they will sell up their UK branch and leave because it will be no longer viable for them. This, obviously, damages me quite significantly.

So, while I don't have a say on the subject, while I do respect whatever Scotland decides, you can understand why a decision that is completely out of my hands has a negative knock-on effect to me.

Lots of companies are trying to scare people into voting no by saying they will leave Scotland if we get independence. Why would they? It would be a wealthier nation away from the UK

Trying to bully people into voting no as has been happening up here is wrong, totally wrong in my view.

People can and should be able to make their own minds up without being scared into voting no.

purpleshoes_2

And as for intimidation by yes people to no's. I read this morning that a yes voter was stabbed in the head by 2 teens and it was reported by the media as if it was the other way round, that the man who was stabbed was voting no.

A small number of idiots on both sides, thats whats happening. I happened to look at the daily mail coverage online, according to the comments on there, us Scots are all drunken thugs. As I said, goes both ways.

I want independence for my country but Im old enough to remember the 1979 vote and people picked themselves up and got on with it. But hopefully even if it is a no, there will be political change at grass roots level and we have something to take forward to the next referendum.

I do hope I see independence in my lifetime. Not just for me, but the generations after me.

I also think this should be elsewhere on the forum and believe me, I dont need to be posting on here to try and get people to vote a certain way, as I said, how other people vote is entirely up to them.

Their choice. Anyone wants to pick me apart for my reasons for voting yes, you might want to come and live where I live and see what used to be a thriving town turned into a ghost town by the Tories (and not just mine, several neighbouring ones as well).

Nothing will convince me we are better together. Cameron, Clegg, Duncan Smith, dont care about towns like mine. Someone like Duncan Smith who sat in a debate about food banks and laughed his way through it is totally out of touch with millions of people. This is who we have ruling us and this is why I want away and have voted yes.

fivetide

purpleshoes wrote: »

Lots of companies are trying to scare people into voting no by saying they will leave Scotland if we get independence. Why would they? It would be a wealthier nation away from the UK

Trying to bully people into voting no as has been happening up here is wrong, totally wrong in my view.

People can and should be able to make their own minds up without being scared into voting no.

As opposed to swallowing the Nat line and trying to intimidate people into voting Yes?

I see your Andy Murray and raise you the cybernat treatment of JK Rowling, and indeed most people who expressed a Better Together leaning. Ask yourself, why so many Yes stickers, posters, banners in cars and not No ones? Because people were scared of a brick through the window that's why.

In short, come off it.

Secondly, Scotland will be wealthier. Please explain how you can have US taxation and Norway public sector spending when you don't even have your own currency.

Edit to add:

Blaming Thatcher for your faults and issues after 35 years. Amazing. You do of course realise that UK unemployment is just over 6%. In Scotland it is 6% and Northern Ireland 6.6% Meanwhile in the Republic of Ireland they are struggling with a crippling unemployment rate of over 11%. Yeah, The UK isn't doing so well is it? (apart from of course being one of the strongest economies in Europe).

That's not fear or bullying. That's fact. Cold hard fact. Here's some more:

So you vote Yes because you don't like a government that will probably be out in a year.

Apparently Scotland does not want to be governed by a political elite. Alex Salmond has been in politics since he was 19, and has not worked outside the political arena.

Scotland does not want to be run by millionaires. Alex Salmond is a millionaire. Scotland does not want to be run by the bankers that brought everything down. One of the Yes campaigns major donors is the ex-head of RBS, who put Fred "The Shred" Goodwin in place to oversee the collapse of the bank.

Scotland wants the government that it elects. The UK has had the government that Scotland elected 3 times out of the last 4. Scotland wants control over its health services. It has had since 1998. I could go on, but what's the point? The Yes team don't care; I am afraid you've been very misguided in your vote considering the reasons you have voted!

Now, if you'd said "I voted yes, not because I hate the tories or love Alex Salmond but because I recognise that while it is a massive gamble and we will be running at a loss for many years* I want my politicians to be more accountable and I feel it is the right thing for me"

That would have been ok. You can't on one hand (like Mr Salmond) say it isn't about a party then say the exact reason you have possibly sold the UK down the river is because you don't like the Tories.

*That's another fact. It is in the white paper you just voted for which of course you read and understood before carefully considering where running up big debts has previously left the country.

I suspect more rhetoric which is all that has been posted already but feel free to surprise!

Tropez

purpleshoes wrote: »

Lots of companies are trying to scare people into voting no by saying they will leave Scotland if we get independence. Why would they? It would be a wealthier nation away from the UK

Trying to bully people into voting no as has been happening up here is wrong, totally wrong in my view.

People can and should be able to make their own minds up without being scared into voting no.

But my company has no reason to scare anyone into voting yes or no, simply because the only office they had in Scotland closed several years ago. None of us get a vote in the Scottish referendum. They're simply stating the facts and the main fact is that should the UK ever leave the EU, my employer will leave the UK. Given that they do not trade in any European country that is not a member of the EU, I have little reason to believe they are scaremongering.

Therefore, Scottish Independence isn't a good thing for me. Tomorrow, if the Yes vote wins, I best start considering my own future.

Buzzybee90

Andy Murray has said he dislikes the English.

It's ridiculous how it's ok to be so openly anti-English (dress this up to be anti establishment but the hatred seems to cover even those with similar political views)

My colleagues brother lives in Scotland (he's English) and has been subject to abuse over the last couple of weeks especially, it's disgusting.

purpleshoes_2

Apparently Andy Murray has had comments on his twitter from people opposed to his stance this morning saying that they hoped that he had died in the Dunblane shooting.

As I said before, idiots on both sides with the emphasis on idiots. Not everyone who votes yes or votes no will behave like the loudmouths giving both the yes and no camps a bad rep.

Even though some of the media coverage against the yes campaign from some of the press up here and down south has in my view been nothing short of shocking, but not entirely unexpected either.

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I think the thing to remember here that countries aren't racist, people are. I have personally experienced racism from English and other nationalities. I chalk it down to it being more about them than me and don't let it affect me.

We haven't met everyone in every country and it's unfair to tar everyone with the same brush so it's best to remember that. It happens to many people in many countries. It's not restricted to English people.

Some English/Irish celebs have not disguised their dislike for the Scottish, hey, it is what it is.

Seems my initial post asking people not to get into a match has been safely ignored! Thanks for all who voted, interesting to see which way people think the poll will end up.

lulu_92

If the vote is 50/50 - will the Referendum go to penalties?