Boss shouting at work

silverwhistle

notanewuser wrote: »

You've an interesting post history, OP..............

From memory mind, but I believe the poster has no problems with stealing from the energy companies and wouldn't be a witness against anyone short of aggravated murder... I may have exaggerated the last bit, but I'm sure she'd find such exaggeration acceptable ..

And what's all this crap about "senior management". It's probably a first line supervisor on a little bit more money who's absolutely frustrated at a member of staff taking the p*** and lieing when caught.

If somebody shouted at me I'd ask them not to, but I damn sure wouldn't put myself in a position where it was due to dishonesty.

rozmister

trollopscarletwoman wrote: »

Oh yes it is.

I've seen a fair few people dismissed for gross misconduct in my time, none have ever been dismissed for shouting. It's not gross misconduct, it's not the best way to handle a situation but for a lot of people it's the product of someone else's bad behaviour pushign them to the limit. Stealing from your workplace and behaving in a devious manner is not the same - it's calculated and extremely wrong.

Personally I wouldn't want to work on a team with someone who stole the company's time and then tried to drag other people down with her by lying (what about the poor bloke she said gave her permission when he didn't which put him in a rubbish position). She should be dismissed, a public apology wouldn't cut the mustard in my workplace whether she'd been shouted at or not.

trollopscarletwoman

rozmister wrote: »

I've seen a fair few people dismissed for gross misconduct in my time, none have ever been dismissed for shouting. It's not gross misconduct, it's not the best way to handle a situation but for a lot of people it's the product of someone else's bad behaviour pushign them to the limit. Stealing from your workplace and behaving in a devious manner is not the same - it's calculated and extremely wrong.

Wrong again.

Stop making excuses for bosses SHOUTING at employees.

Whether this case is fact or fiction its taught me something; its a damn shame, that trade unions have had their teeth pulled.

wiogs

trollopscarletwoman wrote: »

Wrong again.

Stop making excuses for bosses SHOUTING at employees.

Whether this case is fact or fiction its taught me something; its a damn shame, that trade unions have had their teeth pulled.

I would be interested to see how a trade union could defend this lying cheat of an employee.

unlikelyheroine

The employee didn't commit a particularly heinous transgression, but I agree with those who say the boss didn't either.

Should bosses shout as a matter of course? Probably not, but from time to time, tempers get frayed. Should employees wander off for minor and unimportant personal errands in the middle of the day without permission (or the sort of job that allows for this)? No, but if a one-off from someone generally conscientious and good at their job, not something I would consider formally disciplining someone for. Personally I probably wouldn't even shout as I'm not really that sort, but I suspect there is more to the story where perhaps this is not an isolated incident, or there was something that the boss particularly needed the employee for at the relevant time, and found them absent.

If I do something wrong at work that is more along the lines of taking the mick out of the employer or boss than in the realm a genuine mistake, I will count myself fairly lucky if, if caught out, their reaction is shouting without taking it any further in a disciplinary etc.

The OP's friend's idea that she raise a grievance and draw attention to what got the boss into shout mode in the first place is just plain daft. How doing that will improve the working situation for the friend is beyond me. They have nothing like a valid case. None of us need be pushovers but those employed by others are all paid money by our employers to do things pretty much as they like them, that's basically the deal.

trollopscarletwoman

unlikelyheroine wrote: »

The employee didn't commit a particularly heinous transgression, but I agree with those who say the boss didn't either.

Should bosses shout as a matter of course? Probably not, but from time to time, tempers get frayed. Should employees wander off for minor and unimportant personal errands in the middle of the day without permission (or the sort of job that allows for this)? No, but if a one-off from someone generally conscientious and good at their job, not something I would consider formally disciplining someone for. Personally I probably wouldn't even shout as I'm not really that sort, but I suspect there is more to the story where perhaps this is not an isolated incident, or there was something that the boss particularly needed the employee for at the relevant time, and found them absent.

If I do something wrong at work that is more along the lines of taking the mick out of the employer or boss than in the realm a genuine mistake, I will count myself fairly lucky if, if caught out, their reaction is shouting without taking it any further in a disciplinary etc.

The OP's friend's idea that she raise a grievance and draw attention to what got the boss into shout mode in the first place is just plain daft. How doing that will improve the working situation for the friend is beyond me. They have nothing like a valid case. None of us need be pushovers but those employed by others are all paid money by our employers to do things pretty much as they like them, that's basically the deal.

The deal isn't one sided.

They make money-you make money, that's the deal.

Poor employers forget this.

trollopscarletwoman

wiogs wrote: »

I would be interested to see how a trade union could defend this lying cheat of an employee.

Easy.

the trade union rep would at least make sure a decent hearing would be heard.

That is all that is required.

These days, sadly in my view, that's all unions can do.

adindas

lincroft1710 wrote: »

trollopscarletwoman wrote: »

Very much a "sackable offence" in the real world.

I've known employees who needed to be shouted at, as sometimes it is impossible to make them see sense. I didn't do the shouting though or suggest that they should be shouted at. But they got the message.

Utter tosh ...
There is no evidence, news , etc that people been sacked for 20 minutes AWOL especially without previous written warning. People are going AWOL like this all the time for instance going outside to smoke, buy a cigarettes in the shop, go to coffeeshop / coffee machine across the road during working hours, coming late or going home early in one or two occasions. In many offices it is tolerable considering that it works both ways. Quite often employees are also leaving office 10-20 minutes late, come early in the office to prepare of attend a meeting because requirement of the job without getting paid.

Instant dismissal or Sackable offense is something to do with gross misconduct. Typically the things such as theft or fraud, physical violence, gross negligence, incapacity due to alcohol or illegal drugs, and serious insubordination, committing fraud, falsified or manipulating the data.

Not with minor mistakes (bad behavior) like this. Also there has to be a. clear from its disciplinary rules and standards of conduct in the workplace, backed up by a fair disciplinary procedure. Here is the link to differentiate between bad behavior and gross misconduct .

http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3905

If it was in emergency service such as firestation, in the hospital, it might be different.

notanewuser

trollopscarletwoman wrote: »

Easy.

the trade union rep would at least make sure a decent hearing would be heard.

That is all that is required.

These days, sadly in my view, that's all unions can do.

With a year's service there doesn't even need to be a hearing. She can just be fired.

notanewuser

adindas wrote: »

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lincroft1710 wrote: »

Utter tosh ...
I have not heard anyone being sacked for 20 minutes AWOL especially without previous written warning. People do AWOL all the time for instance by a cigarettes in the shop, go to coffeeshop across the road during working time.

Sackable offense is something to do with gross misconduct, incompetence, or you fight not with minor mistakes like this ...

If it was in emergency service such as fireman, hospital, it might be different.

I can assure you that ANY member of staff doing this either as a one off or regularly (as it seems this woman has) in any of the 500+ hotels in the chain I worked for would have been sacked immediately.

It's theft.