Boss shouting at work

Helpfulone

notanewuser wrote: »

She's be extremely foolish to raise a grievance. She's more than likely facing the sack regardless - what a downright stupid thing to do (and I bet it's not the first time either).

I think there's a bit more to it.

She has to clock in and out and at lunch apparently if you clock out and back in it only takes 30 minutes off for lunch.

She's told me (well boasted really) that she does that quite a lot and then goes up town to shop. I'm wondering if this has been noticed and the guy just lost the rag or something?

rozmister

trollopscarletwoman wrote: »

The onus is on the higher up to show best practice. They are paid extra for that.

So many apologists here for bad behaviour.

There is no extra pay for best practice, as someone who's climbed the career ladder and is still going up my pay goes up for extra responsibility be that for managing staff or managing bigger projects. No one gets a premium for behaving real good in the office and showing junior members of staff how it's done.

I don't shout at junior members of staff and it's the norm in my office however in certain circumstances people do. A member of staff died at my workplace a few years back in an industrial accident so anyone failing to follow important H & S or disappearing without permission would get shouted at. The stress and strain experienced losing a colleague was horrific for the people I work with and is therefore very emotive. That doesn't make my colleagues bullies at all, you don't know the context in the OP's friend's office either.

RuthnJasper

Helpfulone wrote: »

My friend got a letter today asking her to attend a disciplinary hearing for

'being absent from the workplace without permission and lying about getting permission'.

Works out that she went off to the post office and her boss had been looking for her - no-one knew that she gone.

He went to her office once she got back and she said that she'd had permission off one of the guys in the office - which wasn't true!

Anyway I'll keep you updated regarding whether she raises a grievance for him shouting at her and what the outcome of the disciplinary is.

Oh dear. It doesn't look good for your friend, but I strongly suspect that she's largely the architect of her own misery.

I'm afraid I haven't read all the posts as I saw, with dismay, that a few posters had got into a back-and-forth slanging match. But going off without permisson is a pretty daft thing to do. Anyway, I'm not sure if there's a previous mention that this is potentially also an H&S (curse them; they get everywhere these days!;)) issue.

If there had been a fire whilst your friend was AWOL and no-one was sure where she was, a colleague or a firefighter could have been put at risk looking for her.

Hope things go OK for her, but I'd be opting for sincere apologies, rather than fibs, counter-accusations and grievances. The colleague she suggested had given her "permission" might not look too kindly on her for stitching him up either.

Best wishes to you, OP. x

barbiedoll

OP, your friend doesn't sound like the most honest person in the world (she doesn't even sound like the most honest person in her workplace!) so this talk of the boss shouting "loud enough for everyone in the building to hear", is probably just BS.

She is fiddling the clock at work and she is lying and dropping her work colleagues in it, so I would personally take any of her statements about her bullying boss with a very large pinch of salt.

I don't think that any of her colleagues will be falling over themselves to be a "witness" either!

Do let us know how she gets on though!

trollopscarletwoman

rozmister wrote: »

There is no extra pay for best practice, as someone who's climbed the career ladder and is still going up my pay goes up for extra responsibility be that for managing staff or managing bigger projects. No one gets a premium for behaving real good in the office and showing junior members of staff how it's done.

I don't shout at junior members of staff and it's the norm in my office however in certain circumstances people do. A member of staff died at my workplace a few years back in an industrial accident so anyone failing to follow important H & S or disappearing without permission would get shouted at. The stress and strain experienced losing a colleague was horrific for the people I work with and is therefore very emotive. That doesn't make my colleagues bullies at all, you don't know the context in the OP's friend's office either.

The original post says she was shouted at and the rest of the office heard it.

Therefore humiliated both ways.

Justify that.

notanewuser

Helpfulone wrote: »

I think there's a bit more to it.

She has to clock in and out and at lunch apparently if you clock out and back in it only takes 30 minutes off for lunch.

She's told me (well boasted really) that she does that quite a lot and then goes up town to shop. I'm wondering if this has been noticed and the guy just lost the rag or something?

trollopscarletwoman wrote: »

The original post says she was shouted at and the rest of the office heard it.

Therefore humiliated both ways.

Justify that.

Hmmmm. She regularly defrauds her employer by falsifying her time sheets. You think the shouty boss story is true?! :rotfl::rotfl:

notanewuser

Helpfulone wrote: »

I think there's a bit more to it.

She has to clock in and out and at lunch apparently if you clock out and back in it only takes 30 minutes off for lunch.

She's told me (well boasted really) that she does that quite a lot and then goes up town to shop. I'm wondering if this has been noticed and the guy just lost the rag or something?

She's screwed.

notanewuser

You've an interesting post history, OP..............

rozmister

trollopscarletwoman wrote: »

The original post says she was shouted at and the rest of the office heard it.

Therefore humiliated both ways.

Justify that.

Generally people do hear when someone shouts, it's kind of the point of raising your voice. As I said before you don't know the context of the situation, I know it's hard to believe but senior management are human too and sometimes they're pushed too far.

As a side point you're basing your whole argument on the words of someone who is currently about to be disciplined for lying. I'm not sure how much I'd trust her version of events personally but hey ho...

trollopscarletwoman

rozmister wrote: »

Generally people do hear when someone shouts, it's kind of the point of raising your voice. As I said before you don't know the context of the situation, I know it's hard to believe but senior management are human too and sometimes they're pushed too far.

As a side point you're basing your whole argument on the words of someone who is currently about to be disciplined for lying. I'm not sure how much I'd trust her version of events personally but hey ho...

Once more an apologist for shouting. "Senior management are human too and sometimes they're pushed too far."

You're own words condemn you.

The fact they are senior management means that they should raise themselves above it.

I've missed the lying bit in the op.