Tesco consider adding the points of discarded receipt as theft

Money-Saving-King

owen_money wrote: »

The OP told us what happened, it seems a simple enough story, I don't think she would lie.

There have been many threads on here where people have been caught out with twisting facts or making things up.

Fella

Congrats to the OP for getting many of the usual suspects to bite

Tweaker

What a lot of bully's there are on this forum, Wombling has been actively encouraged for many years on this forum, Tesco's response has been over the top, the security guard is pedantic, was the store manager involved? because I doubt the guard, who is usually subcontracted rather than directly employed by Tesco, has the authority to ban anyone.

Yes technically it could be construed as theft, I wonder how many of those people making a fuss have found a penny in the street and instead of handing it in to the Police as lost property have pocketed it, you have to be realistic about what merits taking action over, personally if I were the store manager I would be more worried about how many shoplifters left the shop while the guard was dealing with such a petty thing.

Goldiegirl

Tweaker wrote: »

Wombling has been actively encouraged for many years on this forum

There are many weird / borderline illegal things that people do and try to justify their behaviour by saying that they are being MSE.


This wombling thing is one of the borderline illegal things, and shouldn't be encouraged at all

powerful_Rogue

Tweaker wrote: »

What a lot of bully's there are on this forum, Wombling has been actively encouraged for many years on this forum, Tesco's response has been over the top, the security guard is pedantic, was the store manager involved? because I doubt the guard, who is usually subcontracted rather than directly employed by Tesco, has the authority to ban anyone.

Yes technically it could be construed as theft, I wonder how many of those people making a fuss have found a penny in the street and instead of handing it in to the Police as lost property have pocketed it, you have to be realistic about what merits taking action over, personally if I were the store manager I would be more worried about how many shoplifters left the shop while the guard was dealing with such a petty thing.

Bullying? Thats a harsh accusation. Maybe you could highlight where the bullying has taken place in this thread.

Another failed comparison. If you find money in the street, you have to take reasonable steps to try and locate the loser before claiming it as your own. If you find a penny on the floor, its reasonable to believe the loser wont be attending the local police station to see if it has been handed in, On the other hand, if you find a £20, its reasonable to think that the loser may contact the local police to see if someone has done the right thing.

Anyway, the Bank of England issue money that can be used by anyone that has possession of it. Tesco issue clubcard points that can only be redeemed by the person they were issued to.

topdaddy_2

The security guard will be acting on behalf if the management and therefore perfectly entitled to ban you. At my local tescos they deal with this regularly but usually customers of an eastern european appearance. Ban em all(rulebreakers), system works.

System

I have friends that work for Sainsburys. They have been told to tear up abandoned coupons and receipts.

shaun_from_Africa

ScarletMarble wrote: »

I have friends that work for Sainsburys. They have been told to tear up abandoned coupons and receipts.

Maybe it's an attempt to prevent what used to happen in a lot of shops that issued green shield stamps. (If you're under about 40 years old, ask your mum or dad!).
Many shop and garage workers used to amass a very large collection of these stamps, usually from customers who were entitled to the stamps but either couldn't be bothered with them or simply forgot to pick them up.

My mother used to do part time on the till in a local shop and she ended up with books full of stamps each week. This was counted as a perk of the job and was done with the full knowledge of the shop owner.

Cornucopia

Money-Saving-King wrote: »

Why is Tesco enforcing their own rules not good for society?

I'm genuinely surprised how controversial my views on this topic seem to be with some posters.

It's not rocket science... We have a perfectly serviceable legal system. If Tesco is alarmed by alleged criminal activity on its premises, then it should report it to the relevant authorities.

Those authorities can then investigate and prosecute if that's deemed an appropriate course of action. This approach will entail recognising a number of protections and balances as well as an underlying public interest test.

Even if that doesn't go Tesco's way, they could still undertake a private prosecution and/or civil recovery of any proceeds of the alleged offence.

Until one of those things happens, NO crime has been proven.

I appreciate that they haven't penalised the alleged offender particularly harshly and that the penalty itself is lawful, but let's not pretend that being punished by a store security guard is any substitute for the due process of law.

A more appropriate penalty might have been for the OP to have been thrown out of the Clubcard scheme, if his actions can be shown to be a breach of the Ts & Cs.

As it stands, the OP might have potential recourse in an action for defamation or false imprisonment, depending on the circumstances e.g. how publicly they were apprehended by the store guard and whether they were detained against their will.

As for society, some of us are dealing on a daily basis with organisations like TV Licensing and the PPCs, who seem to make up their legal positions as they go along. When we give up freedoms to these organisations they are fundamentally damaged. Let's hope the process is reversible.

Money-Saving-King

Cornucopia wrote: »

I'm genuinely surprised how controversial my views on this topic seem to be with some posters.

It's not rocket science... We have a perfectly serviceable legal system. If Tesco is alarmed by alleged criminal activity on its premises, then it should report it to the relevant authorities.

Those authorities can then investigate and prosecute if that's deemed an appropriate course of action. This approach will entail recognising a number of protections and balances as well as an underlying public interest test.

Even if that doesn't go Tesco's way, they could still undertake a private prosecution and/or civil recovery of any proceeds of the alleged offence.

Until one of those things happens, NO crime has been proven.

I appreciate that they haven't penalised the alleged offender particularly harshly and that the penalty itself is lawful, but let's not pretend that being punished by a store security guard is any substitute for the due process of law.

A more appropriate penalty might have been for the OP to have been thrown out of the Clubcard scheme, if his actions can be shown to be a breach of the Ts & Cs.

As it stands, the OP might have potential recourse in an action for defamation or false imprisonment, depending on the circumstances e.g. how publicly they were apprehended by the store guard and whether they were detained against their will.

As for society, some of us are dealing on a daily basis with organisations like TV Licensing and the PPCs, who seem to make up their legal positions as they go along. When we give up freedoms to these organisations they are fundamentally damaged. Let's hope the process is reversible.

Not a single bit of that is relevant. Tesco have banned him for breaking the terms of their clubcard rules. They haven't put him in prison of given him any sort of criminal punishment they have banned him from one of their stores which they are perfectly entitled to do.

This has nothing to do with the legal system which is a completely separate thing. Being allowed into a Tesco is not a civil right.