Tesco consider adding the points of discarded receipt as theft

subboy2

Cornucopia wrote: »

It's sad that you think that.

The truth can often be sad, unfortunately.

wishus

I see both sides... it wasn't theft as nothing was actually taken. Difficult to compare with the theft of goods as what usually happens then is that the thief can't be stopped until they have passed the threshold of the store, demonstrating they had no intention of paying. This proved very lucky for me the first time I tried to use a self-service scanner and was so confused I forgot to do the actual paying bit, but the guard was the one actually helping me work it out, so when I went to walk off and he stopped me, we had a laugh about it. :rotfl:

With profit warnings (which means the shareholders are raking in slightly less than they did before, but they are still making loadsamoney), I can see Tescos might be guarded against misappropriation of points. Their Ts and Cs do indeed state that points are not transferable - but this is after the points are on the account. A few times, I've been shopping with my mom and we have let each other have the points on each others' shopping as we couldn't be bothered rooting around for our own cards and no one's ever said we couldn't do that. Mind, there'd be obvious consent there...

The point of loyalty schemes is that the points on your account have no real cash value, but offer a potential discount on future monies paid when applied to the specific retailer or associated retailers on the scheme. They are a means to discourage you shopping elsewhere.

If you are saying this chap took a receipt that hasn't his and therefore got his just desserts, that's right to an extent. But it's not theft, and the ban does seem excessive, even unenforceable. I wouldn't have thought the store would mind too much unless they saw him hunting round regularly and he often tied up time at customer services, because in effect he was only trying to acquire something that would encourage him to spend in the store.* But no way would they encourage this.

I wouldn't worry OP. Go in wearing a hat or something, they probably won't know it's you. Don't womble at that store again, though, and if you do happen to 'litterpick' from your trolley, don't go straight back in with it. :A


*pub companies love you taking branded glasses home so the marketing stays with you... but they charge the landlords full whack to replace them. Someone always pays... :shhh:

wishus

Oh, by 'unenforceable' I mean they may not have taken steps to make sure they know it's you when you next go in. They can ban who they like unfortunately...

Cornucopia

subboy2 wrote: »

The truth can often be sad, unfortunately.

It's sad that you misunderstood what I just posted.

We can go all day like this.

Or you can agree that I am entitled to post my opinions on this issue without people responding rudely.

Money-Saving-King

Cornucopia wrote: »

We can go all day like this.

Yes I've noticed this!

subboy2

Cornucopia wrote: »

It's sad that you misunderstood what I just posted.

We can go all day like this.

Or you can agree that I am entitled to post my opinions on this issue without people responding rudely.

You keep posting your same opinion though - had you posted your opinion in one or two posts then shut the null up, I would not have an issue.

As such, you seem determined to have the last word.

And faced with such pig-headedness I am totally not going to let you have it.

wishus

Hey guys, you just disagree on the issue is all.

No one is being pig-headed or over-opinionated anymore than anyone else. And yes, that includes me. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day.

OP is quiet now... probably off to buy a false nose and glasses to do his big shop.

Cornucopia

Okay.

topdaddy_2

Cornucopia wrote: »

It's sad that you misunderstood what I just posted.

We can go all day like this.

Or you can agree that I am entitled to post my opinions on this issue without people responding rudely.

You have missed the point completely. Your understand and replies let you down. The ridiculous answers leave you open to ridicule.
for example: your veiws on corperate rights are nonsensical. A big corperation shouldnt have rights? Why? Should a country not? Would you remove our embargos on other countries? Foolish.
further example: you dont think the security guard has the "authority"? Well the manager who is running a multimillion pound business pays the guard to do this so they dont have to.
Further still example: "tescos lore". They are acting within the law, as well they should. System works.
Final nail inhe coffin of metaphoric examples: "let them be clear of the rules" they are. System works.

Cornucopia

topdaddy wrote: »

A big corperation shouldnt have rights?

I didn't say that - I said they had less extensive rights than individuals, which is an accurate summary of the law. And I also said that it was appropriate that that should be the case.

Are you saying that Corporations should have the same rights we do? How would that even work?

you dont think the security guard has the "authority"? Well the manager who is running a multimillion pound business pays the guard to do this so they dont have to.

Let's be clear. I don't think that Tescos should place the Guard in the position where he is required to exercise legal decision-making that he is unlikely to have the training or qualifications to accomplish fairly and with due regard for the Law.

Further still example: "tescos lore". They are acting within the law, as well they should. System works.

Let's give an example of Tesco Lore: the idea that a Clubcard point has a monetary value in and of itself.

Another one: the idea that there is an offence of attempting to misappropriate another person's Clubcard points after they have discarded them, and that that offence is "theft".

And as I said, I see this as raising similar issues to the more widely accepted principles with regards to TV Licensing and PPCs.

BBC/TVL Lore: every householder must account to TVL for their licence status, and be prepared to have it checked.

PPC Lore: any driver breaching the parking Ts & Cs is liable for a penalty charge.

These statements are untrue, and the organisations making them are a menace to society. What's more, I'm pretty sure they know they are lying when they make such statements - which makes it doubly offensive.

Final nail inhe coffin of metaphoric examples: "let them be clear of the rules" they are. System works.

Does it state anywhere that receipts are not transferable for the purpose of claiming the points? That would be clarity.

Does it state anywhere that Tescos believe (whether it is true or not) that Clubcard points can be stolen, and that will treat such an offence as if it were theft?