Tesco consider adding the points of discarded receipt as theft

Abbafan1972

How did the security guard know it wasn't your receipt if you got it from a trolley in the trolley park?

powerful_Rogue

anotheruser wrote: »

But the OP didn't steal clubcard points from anyone!

I don't understand why people think using the points on a discarded receipt amounts to stealing the points?
Surely when the receipt was lost/dropped/whatever, the points then became orphaned.... it's 2 points, not someone's teddy bear!

Question: When you throw stuff out, is it still yours?
Perhaps the original owner of the receipt couldn't be bothered in throwing it in the bin (like a lot of people do); in which case the OP did a bit of a favour by picking up, essentially what is litter?
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Because the OP didn't make the original purchase to earn those points. As already explained, its classed as fraud by false representation.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=66169545&postcount=6

Cornucopia

powerful_Rogue wrote: »

Because the OP didn't make the original purchase to earn those points. As already explained, its classed as fraud by false representation.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=66169545&postcount=6

Except that it hasn't been agreed that that is the case.

Call me old-fashioned, but I'm not convinced that a Tesco security guard has the authority or the training to make such a relatively complex allegation.

Also, technically, the offence was not carried through (not even close), so at best all it could be would be Attempted Fraud by Deception, and I'm not even sure such an offence exists.

subboy2

Cornucopia wrote: »

I find it very disappointing that so many posters seem to be on Tesco's side. Hopefully this tolerance to corporate pettiness won't come back to bite you.

Because Tesco are in the right in this case, and the OP is in the wrong.

It's not a hard one to work out.

subboy2

anotheruser wrote: »

Good reply... really a worthwhile opinion, which 4 people "liked", despite nobody giving a clear view on why they think this, suggesting they don't know why, which then almost voids the whole opinion.

If you really think "stealing " points from a Tesco receipt warrants being banned from a store then what would you do if someone damages stock or mocks the staff?
That's like saying we should put all people in prison, no matter what crime they committed.




But the OP didn't steal clubcard points from anyone!

I don't understand why people think using the points on a discarded receipt amounts to stealing the points?
Surely when the receipt was lost/dropped/whatever, the points then became orphaned.... it's 2 points, not someone's teddy bear!

Question: When you throw stuff out, is it still yours?
Perhaps the original owner of the receipt couldn't be bothered in throwing it in the bin (like a lot of people do); in which case the OP did a bit of a favour by picking up, essentially what is litter?





Or better still, not have the option to re-claim points when a transaction is completed? Yes people may say "well I'm entitled to the points" - well if they are that important to you, you should have had your card with you.
Considering you can order new cards and key fobs all the time, there is no excuse really.

Why continue to humiliate yourself in this manner.

I see you support stealing. In that case, I shall have nothing further to do with ye, ya toerag.

Cornucopia

subboy2 wrote: »

Because Tesco are in the right in this case, and the OP is in the wrong.

It's not a hard one to work out.

It's not critical to my argument whether they are or not.

We afford due process to murderers and rapists... so why not "thieves" of Clubcard points?

You and I and Tescos are not the arbiters of whether a crime has been committed - that is the job of the appointed authorities and no one else.

powerful_Rogue

Cornucopia wrote: »

Except that it hasn't been agreed that that is the case.

Call me old-fashioned, but I'm not convinced that a Tesco security guard has the authority or the training to make such a relatively complex allegation.

Also, technically, the offence was not carried through (not even close), so at best all it could be would be Attempted Fraud by Deception, and I'm not even sure such an offence exists.

Obliviously we can only go on the OP's version of events.

Of course the security guard can make that allegation. Same as anyone could just like I am in this thread. It would then be for the police to investigate.

It appears rather then get the police involved, Tesco have decided to ban the OP from their premises which is their right.

The offence was close:

(1)A person is in breach of this section if he—

(a)dishonestly makes a false representation, and

(b)intends, by making the representation—

(i)to make a gain for himself or another, or

OP presented a till receipt to customer services to claim clubcard points that were not issued to him. By doing this he intended to gain those points which have a value of upto 4x the amount.

(ii)to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.

(2)A representation is false if—

(a)it is untrue or misleading, and

(b)the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.

This would have caused loss to Tesco as the OP did not make a purchase to earn those points.

subboy2

Cornucopia wrote: »

It's not critical to my argument whether they are or not.

We afford due process to murderers and rapists... so why not "thieves" of Clubcard points?

You and I and Tescos are not the arbiters of whether a crime has been committed - that is the job of the appointed authorities and no one else.

Incorrect.

Tesco's Store, Tesco's Business, Tesco's rules.

They can ban who they want. And were right in doing so.

Cornucopia

subboy2 wrote: »

Incorrect.

Tesco's Store, Tesco's Business, Tesco's rules.

I don't want Tesco Lore. I want British Law.

I'm a veteran of the fight against TV Licensing. These organisations that think they can make up their own laws and impose them upon the public are a menace, and hopefully the public will wake up to the issue before it is too late.

They can ban who they want. And were right in doing so.

Yes they can. Let them be clear about their rules, and then we can all decide whether we want to shop there under those rules.

For me, I wouldn't accept that this style of enforcement that is at best a petty misdemeanour is ever acceptable, and I won't be shopping there again unless I have absolutely no other choice.

Contrast with Morrisons: I was in the queue at a till behind a guy buying his weekly shopping. He received a money off coupon from the till and in the sight of the cashier, offered it to me, I took it and used it, and given that my shopping consisted of a meal deal sandwich and some gift cards, had a joke with the cashier about "no such thing as a free lunch" - the voucher covered the cost of the meal deal.

*That* is the correct response to this kind of issue - good humour, and "please come again"...

Money-Saving-King

Cornucopia wrote: »

I don't want Tesco Lore. I want British Law

Well don't go to a Tesco then!

As I said, this has nothing to do with the law. Why can't you understand this. Tesco have banned him, this was not a criminal sentence given out by a court, Tesco can do this as it's their own business. There's is no civil right to be allowed in a Tesco.