Hi everyone I Need Help again

lumja

tomtontom wrote: »

They had four minutes in which to open the door but failed to do so. That says it all.



What you describe is far from normal.

Its far from normal once they turn 16-17 by the law in this country they are allowed to do what they pleased, but until these last couple of months he was raised properly

lumja

dktreesea wrote: »

So how exactly do you open the chain on the door when there's a chainsaw cutting through it? Not to mention splinters flying everywhere while the police are trying to batter it down?

What is it with u???? They used the chainsaw to cut the chain!!!!!
I never went next to the door, I can only see a big shadow and heard the noise, I was hiding behind the shoe cabinet, and I was going o my god, o my god, please stop give me a second to come and open
the door please stop, while I was crying and begin, my son woke up and came next to me and I said to him what did you do? Nothing as usual he said, what do u mean nothing why they doing this then? Mum stop crying, than he started saying stop it we going to open the door just let us come to the door, which is 1 metre and 4cm from the shoe cabinet, All that was going through my mind if I go next to the door they going to smash it on me

lumja

dktreesea wrote: »

I'm only going on what happened up here with our police force.

It's one thing breaking down the door if the person in question
is likely to be present, but quite a different thing if the police, who should have done their homework on all occupants of the household, not just their target, know the other occupants to not be involved in the particular vice they are targetting AND one of those occupants is trying to let the police in but can't because of their violent actions.

I consider the police in this instance used excessive force, and if the results of such complaints up here are anything to go by, there's a good chance the tribunal would agree with me.

Finally some reasonable response, they should have done they homework, after all this I started putting pieces together, for weeks my son didn't come home he stayed at his girlfriend, and that night he came home because I made an appointment for him at the dentist early in the morning, and the same officer told me to keep him away from that crowd because they very known to the police, and I said to them I'm trying but he just won't lisen

hardworking_mummy

dktreesea wrote: »

I'm only going on what happened up here with our police force.

It's one thing breaking down the door if the person in question
is likely to be present, but quite a different thing if the police, who should have done their homework on all occupants of the household, not just their target, know the other occupants to not be involved in the particular vice they are targetting AND one of those occupants is trying to let the police in but can't because of their violent actions.

I consider the police in this instance used excessive force, and if the results of such complaints up here are anything to go by, there's a good chance the tribunal would agree with me.

I speak from experience. In a particular area in my region (north east) there will be 5 police officers on duty tonight for 120,000 residents. These are the police officers that turn up when you call to report someone burgling a house, or kids hanging around being a nuisance or even if you feel like ringing up to complain that someone has said something nasty about you on Facebook (happens more times than you would imagine).
These officers do not carry the "big key" (the black humoured name) for the inefficient contraption used to try and force doors around with them. Nor do they turn up on a whim to illegally force entry to the homes of entirely innocent people.
Drug raids are not taken lightly and more often that not are carried out by specialist teams in a coordinated effort based on intelligence. That intelligence can be Mr Drug Dealer lives in this house with his family. They do not have the time or the resources, to sit about and quite frankly worry about if aunty Dot with a bad ticker has come to visit this weekend.
I stand by what I have said regarding this "claim" for compensation for excessive force. A known drug dealer's home was raided legally. The police did not smash windows and start pepper spraying the residents. They didn't taser anyone once they gained entry. From what the op has said it sounds as though they used a legitimate means (I don't believe for one minute it was a chainsaw) to execute a warrant. The police don't write their own warrants. They are aware of PACE and the implications of the rampant "compensation" culture we live in. It would be a brave Silver Commander who said "aye pop to B&Q - pick up a chainsaw and without a warrant, or following section 18 after an arrest put the lad's door through would you!
I would suggest she gets used to it if she continues to allow a drug dealer to live in her rented home.

lumja

Really, how come they did just that? They knock on other people's doors and they waited
for them to open? As for me being the mother of the drug dealer I have no reason whatsoever to lie here and I have all my neighbours to support what I'm saying, especially the one next door who was right outside the door and she heard me crying and begin, and I wasn't begin because of the door but it was just too scary all that noise especially when I heard that noise which at the time I didn't know it was a chainsaw, but later my neighbours told me.

hardworking_mummy

lumja wrote: »

Really, how come they did just that? They knock on other people's doors and they waited
for them to open? As for me being the mother of the drug dealer I have no reason whatsoever to lie here and I have all my neighbours to support what I'm saying, especially the one next door who was right outside the door and she heard me crying and begin, and I wasn't begin because of the door but it was just too scary all that noise especially when I heard that noise which at the time I didn't know it was a chainsaw, but later my neighbours told me.

I don't believe a word you say. I think you are a troll. Yes the police turn up to drugs raids on every other drug dealer on your estate and stand around en masse kicking their feet until the door is politely opened. It's only your son who really isn't a bad lad he's just easily led where they decided to put the door through.
Who are you going to whinge about when the other dealers turn up to your house and put your windows out, or slit your dogs throat and leave it on your doorstep, or kick seven bells out of your other son just as a gentle reminder to your eldest to pay his debts/stay out of their haunts etc. etc.
IF paying for a percentage of a replacement door is the worst that comes out of this situation I would get on my knees and thank god if I were you. You will be targeted - and it won't be just the police looking for your son. These will be the same police you call for help when your car is vandalised or lit rags are put through your letterbox by your sons associates.
Drug dealing is quite a challenging career path. I hope you do what is best for your family, but from your inability to grasp the seriousness of your sons actions, I seriously doubt you will.

Housing_Benefit_Officer

lumja wrote: »

THEY HAVE 5 COUNTS ON HIM HE JUSt STARTED TO DO THAT

Wow he must be the unluckiest drug dealer going if his first 5 drug deals were all with undercover Police Officers. What are the chances of that?

Housing_Benefit_Officer

hardworking_mummy wrote: »

I don't believe a word you say. I think you are a troll.

I have had a look for Police raids in the area the O/P claims she lives and guess what - no trace of coordinated Police raids where 19+ people were arrested. The Police in that area issue press releases of every drugs raid they carry out and the local papers carry reports of the suspects as they go to court. I can't seem to find any raid around the time the O/P claims it took place.

Perhaps the O/P could post a few links about the raid and subsequent Court appearances?

missbiggles1

lumja wrote: »

Its far from normal once they turn 16-17 by the law in this country they are allowed to do what they pleased, but until these last couple of months he was raised properly

Where did you get that idea from?

lumja

lady believe it or not that is what has happened, I could not have been in 2-3 places at the same time but i have neighbors who saw what was going on.
And to the second comment;they had undercover for 5 months baying drugs in this estate but they told me they have him on 5 videos!!!!
to the third comment; Do try PLEASE on Google ITS RAINING DRUGS by Daily Mail, thank you all