TV licensing threats

booksurr

Kayak10 wrote: »

gwapenut
If you check it has been moved to TV licensing ( I assume by the mods ? )
I have NEVER started a new post and have no idea how to as I'm very new to this
To be quite honest I didn't realise how many people on this sight take great pleasure on not only going of on tangents but also ridiculing the post writer
To this end it's a shame but it really has put me off writing anything on here
I'm only glad I have never ( and don't intend to ) join any of the social media sites out there

yours is the first post on this thread, QED you started a new thread otherwise it would not exist

as at this time of writing it certainly has not been moved and remains within the credit card board which happens to be the first board on this forum and therefore presumably why you started writing in it - suggestive perhaps of your lack of attention to details. The TV board is well down the list

as for your complaint you do presumably want to continue paying by monthly instalment?
you do presumably want to be able to do so at 1/12 of the annual cost, ie you do not want to be charged a premium for so doing, as you would, for example, if you buy insurance on a monthly rather than lump sum payment plan?

therefore, after the first year, the whole thrust of your argument is that you object to the fact that 6 payments are in advance of the licence year, yet you would have to pay them anyway, so your pleading about being hard up is irrelevant. You would pay for your TV licence every month whether that sum is "in advance" "current" or "in arrears", the payment is the same, so your argument is over semantics of its description

however I accept that if a proportion (currently 50%) of the fee was not paid "in advance" we could possibly lose the right to pay in premium free instalments so I really don't care if it is "in advance" or not.

The fact you have offered £5 per week because that is all you can afford shows that your argument is not over the timing of the payment but simply that you don't want to pay a bill of that size at all. Therefore as you are deliberately setting out to underpay for the service you use, you are rightly receiving debt chasing letters. The tone of those letters is however totally OTT and as you very rightly point out would be not allowed from anyone else,

to that extent I fully support the position: allow monthly payments without a premium for so doing, stop TVL from using inappropriate language, chase anyone who does not adhere to the terms of the service they freely accepted when they choose to "buy" live TV broadcasting

Hooloovoo

Kayak10 wrote: »

I guess you must be a professor in electronics ???

Close, but it's actually Professor of Physics. And physics does happen to involve an awful lot of electronics.

IF you think it's " a load of cobblers " I suggest you ask the TVL to tell you the make and model of the equipment they use AND I'm in a block of 12 flats How did they ONLY come to my flat on entering the block ?

As others have said, your flat was the only one without a licence. Obvious really. I'm surprised that never occurred to you.

Kayak10 wrote: »

At present they have the FULL backing of the law unlike any other company that can only take you to the small claims court under £5000

No, they don't. Yet more misinformation. They have no rights at all. Or at least, as you say, no more rights than any other company that could start proceedings in the county court (sometimes known as the "small claims" court).

Kayak10 wrote: »

I accept this is a "public forum " it's just a shame " the public " seem to have gone off on all sorts of tangents Mostly away from my original point :-(

If you didn't keep posting misinformation then we wouldn't have to keep correcting you, and your thread could remain completely on topic.

Of course, this is all a bit rich coming from someone posting a thread on a forum about credit cards. And no, it hasn't been moved. I'm not sure why you think it has.

booksurr

stclair wrote: »

I paid mine at £24.00 a month for the first 6 months.

Then cancelled the DD and told them i`ve now paid for my license by the payments they have already collected.

Then they just told me the date I need to start paying again. :D

very true, my budget however finds it less stressful to pay in 1/12ths rather than 1/6ths - same end result.

Cornucopia

Getting back on topic...

Having previously complained about the letters to the BBC, to get nowhere, the following steps are now being taken:-

- A contact of mine in the LLF world is taking the letters through the ASA complaint process. (Whilst this has been tried before, and failed, we have located a BBC Trust document that states that the letters *are* subject to ASA regulation - ASA denied this previously). Quite how anyone in the BBC Trust can believe that the letters would pass ASA scrutiny is beyond me - just shows how out of touch they are, I suppose.

- I am seeking advice from my local Police as to whether they will consider a complaint against TVL primarily under the Malicious Communications Act. I'm fully aware that this is possibly a waste of their resources, but if there were proper control over the TVL rottweilers from elsewhere in the Establishment, then it wouldn't be necessary.

Hooloovoo

booksurr wrote: »

very true, my budget however finds it less stressful to pay in 1/12ths rather than 1/6ths - same end result.

If your budget is stressful over the difference between £12 or £24 for six months, then personally I would just stop watching live broadcasts and save myself the money.

I'd probably also then spend the time I would have wasted watching TV improving my skills with the aim of getting better paid employment.

But that's just me, YMMV.

booksurr

Kayak10 wrote: »

Yet again I'm sorry to say the whole thread has been hijacked by idiots
PLEASE STICK TO THE MAIN POST IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT :mad:

public forum, public debate, or do you think its he who SHOUTS loudest wins

Kayak10 wrote: »

As it seems a number off posters are suggesting I don't know what I'm talking about
The ONLY response I will give from here on in is if the post relates to my ORIGINAL post
Have fun

do please follow your own advice

Kayak10 wrote: »

When I went to court I did NOT let them in they just followed a progressive set of letters then took me to court
Good luck if you get away with it as I believe in paying for value and I certainly don't think the BBC gives value Especially as my son pointed out they Own or part own the company that brings us Dave tv amount others so it's double standards they say they don't show paid adverts when in fact they do Just not on BBC

so your real beef is you don't want to pay for a licence at all because it is not "good value". Complaints over "in advance" and letter "tone" are just tangential

booksurr

Hooloovoo wrote: »

If your budget is stressful over the difference between £12 or £24 for six months, then personally I would just stop watching live broadcasts and save myself the money.

I'd probably also then spend the time I would have wasted watching TV improving my skills with the aim of getting better paid employment.

But that's just me, YMMV.

sorry I understand written English not text speak: YMMV?
the mere fact you don't understand the economic advantage of interest free 1/12 v 1/6 supports why I don't need to get better paid employment, I already have it having got there via capitalising on my education through one of the establishments you presumably work in as a Professor. As such I know I earn more than you as I used to work in that sector.

Hooloovoo

booksurr wrote: »

sorry I understand written English not text speak: YMMV?

It's not "text speak" it's a standard and accepted internet abbreviation. "Your mileage my vary".

the mere fact you don't understand the economic advantage of interest free 1/12 v 1/6

That's not what I would call a stressful budget decision.

supports why I don't need to get better paid employment, I already have it having got there via capitalising on my education

Congratulations.

I'm also pleased your life is so calm that considerations over a £12 or £24 payment is what keeps you up at night.

Cornucopia

booksurr wrote: »

so your real beef is you don't want to pay for a licence at all because it is not "good value". Complaints over "in advance" and letter "tone" are just tangential

To be fair, the issue is so broad that trying to identify one "root cause" for anyone's dissatisfaction with it isn't very helpful.

Anyone who is familar with the issues knows that at every turn, an issue presents itself in which the BBC is typically:-

- doing what it thinks is right (despite prevailing moral/cultural considerations)

- doing things that are right at the limit of what is permitted by Law (despite them often flying in the face of the spirit of the law).

- going out of its way to deceive the public and the mainstream media into believing certain half-truths about "TVL" that jeopardise people's basic rights

- quoting law at citizens, but ignoring legalistic arguments and complaints directed back.

- relying on financial barriers to legal redress to prevent the system coming under any serious scrutiny.

- persuading politicians that law enforcement activity needs to be covered by editorial independence... :eek:

- standing behind legal privilege and other devices to prevent the public from fully understanding what is being done and the legal framework that (allegedly) supports it.

- presiding over a system with known faults that at the extreme lead to perversion of the course of justice, and taking no action to fix them.

And so on.

Kayak10

Rather than try and answer all the different posts
I first started this as I object to the tone of the TVL letters Starting approx 6 months BEFORE my current licence expires
If enough people complain then we should be able to get it stopped
As mentioned What other company or service can and do DEMAND you start paying 6 months before you get the item or service
Talk about misinformation I AM paying £ 5.00 WEEKLY from last week
Also as per my complaint I started it via my local MP and the reply eventually came from head of revenue management Who AGREED the letters are aggressive and TOLD TVL to tone them down from last month
All I was hoping was others would have the same view as me and may be WRITE to their local MP if enough do we can get the law changed Lets face it we pay the MPs let's make them work for us :-)
Not sure who the ASA are but in my experience these bodies have no teeth so can't really support the problem :-(