driving slow : your views ?

almillar

IanMSpencer:

And when I am driving my Vito at 50mph, am I supposed to speed up to an unlawful 60 to keep the motorist behind's blood pressure suitably low?

We've already excluded vehicles that have different speed limits. We're talking about people who CHOOSE to drive slowly.

...so you don't agree that Roadcraft represents a reasonable strategy for overtaking? (I think the reason you don't think this makes sense is that you are not typically following at the 2 second rule).

There is a lot more to overtaking than spotting a gap and booting it in Roadcraft, for example, why might Roadcraft suggest pulling out THEN accelerating?

Yep, I agree. This is what Roadcraft (police driving manual) says, and what IAM teaches. You're BREAKING the 2 second rule momentarily to get an overtake done quickly and safely. This means compromising the braking distance to the car you want to overtake, when you can already see that it MIGHT be safe to overtake. The manouvre can still be cancelled at this point.

Cornucopia:

Overtaking Position

Absolutely.

Tailgating - it's wrong. When you come up behind someone who's driving slowly, you do want to make sure they can see you though. This might involve driving slightly to the right, or turning your lights on. These are not acts of agression. On the rare occasion that I drive slowly, if someone comes up behind me, I may speed up or slow down, either to let them follow me faster, or overtake - even move into the left slighly to show them what to do. Show that consideration to other road users, and you might be able to expect it back...

nobbysn*ts

skitler wrote: »

so why do you do it then.?


shot yourself in the foot again.:rotfl:

Why talk to people? Maybe you don't talk to your passengers. If you don't feel you're safe enough to drive while speaking, it's your call.

nobbysn*ts

Stoke wrote: »

............I've said that driving handsfree isn't 100% safe, doesn't mean I don't do it. ............

So you are unsafe on your phone? You deliberately put the rest of us at risk, simply because you don't want to pull over?

Weyoun

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

Why talk to people? Maybe you don't talk to your passengers. If you don't feel you're safe enough to drive while speaking, it's your call.

I can talk to my passengers while I drive. I don't need to hold them up to my ear and drive one-handed while doing it, though.

nobbysn*ts

Weyoun wrote: »

I can talk to my passengers while I drive. I don't need to hold them up to my ear and drive one-handed while doing it, though.

Interestingly, the study referred to showed no difference in handsfree, and none handsfree, so that's fairly academic, as it's the conversation that caused the problem.

Buellguy wrote: »

not really


http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/DrivingIssues/20060830105036.html#.U5ccZV0U8y8


I'm assuming you don't drink and drive, well using the mobile phone is probably worse

Cornucopia

You seem to be cherry-picking. The study says that talking on a mobile is as dangerous as drink-driving. In fact that is the title.

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

almillar wrote: »

We've already excluded vehicles that have different speed limits. We're talking about people who CHOOSE to drive slowly.

I was just contrasting the point that people getting wound up about people choosing to drive at 50 attracting people's anger, when in practice there is no difference in following them or a van or a lorry who choose to abide by their limits (especially when we get into the realms of people who think breaking the speed limit is fair game as a general driving strategy). FWIW, there are plenty of lorry drivers who happily claim that they are doing us all a favour by breaking the 40mph rule - not so long ago there was a threat of a campaign to drive legally!

almillar wrote: »

Yep, I agree. This is what Roadcraft (police driving manual) says, and what IAM teaches. You're BREAKING the 2 second rule momentarily to get an overtake done quickly and safely. This means compromising the braking distance to the car you want to overtake, when you can already see that it MIGHT be safe to overtake. The manouvre can still be cancelled at this point.

I think the really interesting thing about driving to the 2 second rule is how few people do it and how some people react badly to it, especially in heavy traffic when they don't think you are pulling your weight to pressurise some mythical blocker some way ahead.

I guess the other interesting generalisation about driving is how much we assume about other drivers and how we then react to this when we really do not know anything about what they are thinking!

Stoke

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

So you are unsafe on your phone? You deliberately put the rest of us at risk, simply because you don't want to pull over?

Not always possible to pull over. I'm sure you put the rest of us at risk when you put your phone to your ear mate. I'm sure you put the rest of us at risk when you do things in your car. Perhaps jump off that high horse for a minute and think about the !!!!!!!! you're spouting.

Cornucopia

Roll-on driverless cars.

:beer:

nobbysn*ts

Stoke wrote: »

Not always possible to pull over. I'm sure you put the rest of us at risk when you put your phone to your ear mate. I'm sure you put the rest of us at risk when you do things in your car. Perhaps jump off that high horse for a minute and think about the !!!!!!!! you're spouting.

It's interesting the way you've jumped on this subject. I never mentioned if I used a phone hands free or not. A study showing it made no difference to safety between handsfree or not has been quoted. You've decided in spite of that, you're safe, because you drive hands free. Equally, in spite of the study, I've said I'm as safe speaking on the phone, as talking to passengers, so you've decided I must be holding a phone for some reason.