driving slow : your views ?

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

So you have read a book then? But it is clear that you haven't understood it, or completed any test.


You start an overtaking manoeuvre from a safe distance, giving plenty of visibility. What you don't do is move dangerously close to a vehicle, and then start an overtaking manoeuvre, as you seem to think.






Don't you realise that you are actually backing up what I have said?

I think it is talking apples and pears. The point I am making is that I talked about moving up from the following position to the overtaking position and got jumped on as someone assumed that what I was saying was getting up someone's backside.

Anyway, if you think that I am wrong for suggesting that there is a step in between the overtaking position and accelerating, please write to the authors and ask why Roadcraft write:

The overtaking position is generally closer than the following position. ...

From the overtaking position continue observing until you see an opportunity to overtake.

Position your vehicle so that you have a clear path beyond your vehicle you wish to pass, without accelerating.

If you see the manoeuvre would not be safe, return to the following or overtaking position as appropriate

If the manoeuvre can be completed safely, accelerate past.

If you can point out where I said anything about moving dangerously close to a vehicle then please point this out or otherwise contradictory to this. I was accused from taking my advice from some bloke off the Internet. As far as I am concerned I've described here doing the same thing as you have done - moving from a following position to an overtaking position which is likely to be closer, but allows full visibility and you compensate by pulling further out (depending on the road), all the time assessing whether the overtake might be on in which case you will then pull out further, assessing the situation and deciding whether to pass.

The point about not accelerating as you move further out is exactly to avoid the thing that you have accused me of suggesting. If you accelerate as you are pulling out, you are encroaching on your safe distance you established was the minimum safe distance of the overtaking position so if you do need to abort having opened up the visibility completely by moving out, you need to brake and will then be pulling in at a dangerously close position.


IAM F1rst by the way, 30+ years of driving. Look it up if you wish.

Stoke

andygb wrote: »

Just stop talking rubbish and quit whilst you are ahead - nobody is agreeing with you.
I have been nearly taken out several times by drivers on their phones, who have changed lanes without checking. I watched a young female driver nearly get taken out by a lorry, because she merged from a sliproad whilst on her phone. I have nearly been run over on a couple of occasions by young, female drivers on phones who failed to notice that I was on a pedestrian crossing.
People become obsessed by their phones and conversations, and forget about everything else.

I totally agree with you Andy, and considering nobbysn*ts is getting on his high horse over speeding or even driving at the limit, I'm surprised he's now suggesting that driving while using a mobile phone is perfectly safe.

There's clear evidence to show that mobile phones, sat navs, even handsfree devices can affect driver concentration. Now I will happily admit I use a handsfree bluetooth thing as it's about the safest option and even that can be distracting if I'm trying to listen to something important while navigation a difficult piece of road.

Only a muppet would say driving while using your phone is safe, even handsfree.

andygb

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

Rubbish. You'll see people do exactly the same thing driving while not on their phones, otherwise every accident would involve a mobile phone. You seem to have a lot of near misses as well, perhaps you need to exercise a bit more observation?

It was my observation and anticipation which prevented them becoming accidents. The fact that I was concentrating on the road, conditions and other drivers, rather than being immersed in conversation.;)

nobbysn*ts

Stoke wrote: »

..................I will happily admit I use a handsfree bluetooth thing...............Only a muppet would say driving while using your phone is safe, even handsfree.

So, either you're unsafe as a driver, or the alternative?

nobbysn*ts

andygb wrote: »

It was my observation and anticipation which prevented them becoming accidents. The fact that I was concentrating on the road, conditions and other drivers, rather than being immersed in conversation.;)

As I said, it's not the phone, it's the conversation, as you also said. It would be the same regardless of whether it's a passenger, or someone out of the car. It's still equally as distracting.

Stoke

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

So, either you're unsafe as a driver, or the alternative?

Actually I would say I'm a safe driver, however driving when using my handsfree, I always have to concentrate more to maintain safety. Some people, probably yourself, switch to auto pilot.

nobbysn*ts

Stoke wrote: »

Actually I would say I'm a safe driver, however driving when using my handsfree, I always have to concentrate more to maintain safety. Some people, probably yourself, switch to auto pilot.

"driving when using my handsfree, I always have to concentrate more to maintain safety" - "Only a muppet would say driving while using your phone is safe, even handsfree." - I'll add nothing to your own words.

Herzlos

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

As I said, it's not the phone, it's the conversation, as you also said. It would be the same regardless of whether it's a passenger, or someone out of the car. It's still equally as distracting.

Not quite. A passenger has some situational awareness and tends to shut up if they see something odd happen or be happy with a long pause. Someone on the other end of a phone doesn't have this awareness and therefore can be more of a distraction.

Stoke

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

"driving when using my handsfree, I always have to concentrate more to maintain safety" - "Only a muppet would say driving while using your phone is safe, even handsfree." - I'll add nothing to your own words.

You're quite good at muddying the water aren't you? I've said that driving handsfree isn't 100% safe, doesn't mean I don't do it. The fact you've openly admitted to mucking about on your phone means you're a seriously unsafe driver, and you drive slowly for the sake of it. Brill.

skitler

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

As I said, it's not the phone, it's the conversation, as you also said. It would be the same regardless of whether it's a passenger, or someone out of the car. It's still equally as distracting.

so why do you do it then.?


shot yourself in the foot again.:rotfl: