driving slow : your views ?

skitler

Buellguy wrote: »

skitler wrote: »

oh I see, "I cant overtake so ill talegate and bully."


if you overtake the car in front, will that now give you a clear road to drive how you it should be done, or will you come upon another vehicle. and have to over take again and again and again, constantly as you said your self, " after all you are on the opposite side of the road and a danger to yourself and other road users in that position".

when will the penny drop.?[/QUOTE


So you are saying that I should never carry out a manoeuvre that is perfectly legal


267

Do not overtake unless you are sure it is safe and legal to do so. Overtake only on the right. You should:

• check your mirrors
• take time to judge the speeds correctly
• make sure that the lane you will be joining is sufficiently clear ahead and behind
• take a quick sideways glance into the blind spot area to verify the position of a vehicle that may have disappeared from your view in the mirror
• remember that traffic may be coming up behind you very quickly. Check all your mirrors carefully. Look out for motorcyclists. When it is safe to do so, signal in plenty of time, then move out
• ensure you do not cut in on the vehicle you have overtaken
• be especially careful at night and in poor visibility when it is harder to judge speed and distance.

My argument is that by doing it quickly you minimise risk. people are unwilling to carry out this manoeuvre quickly due to the presence of speed cameras thus making the manoeuvre more dangerous.


If I came across several people doing e.g. 30 in an NSL then yes, I would IF IT WERE SAFE TO DO SO overtake them, next question

its the same question "when will the penny drop"?


so when you come across a slow driver ie could be a hgv who is limited to 40mph on a single lane nsp limit carriageway (so he's not driving slow but as fast as he's limited to you carry out rule 267 do you, while your shouting and ranting COME ON YOU FUKCER MOVE COME ON MOVE FUKC ME CANT YOU FUKCING DRIVE. while gripping the steering wheel and flaring at the nostrels with a big red face.


you can argue your point of your fast overtake manouver all you like, but your wrong.




some folk eh!!

Buellguy

skitler wrote: »

Buellguy wrote: »

its the same question "when will the penny drop"?


so when you come across a slow driver ie could be a hgv who is limited to 40mph on a single lane nsp limit carriageway (so he's not driving slow but as fast as he's limited to you carry out rule 267 do you, while your shouting and ranting COME ON YOU FUKCER MOVE COME ON MOVE FUKC ME CANT YOU FUKCING DRIVE. while gripping the steering wheel and flaring at the nostrels with a big red face.


you can argue your point of your fast overtake manouver all you like, but your wrong.




some folk eh!!

No, I sit calmly behind him waiting for an opportunity to SAFELY overtake him as I am fully aware that HGV's are 'supposed' to be restricted to 40 on a single track road(and I'd much rather be overtaking a HGV than someone who speeds up when being overtaken).
Oh, and it's a bike rather than a car in case you hadn't twigged from my username LOL


My bold, try telling that to the very experienced (30 years plus)traffic police offer who taught me


oh, and it's you're - short for you are

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I think that it would be fair to say that we seem to fall into 2 camps over this one:

Those who think that "Consideration to other road users" means that other drivers should be considerate of their wishes,
and
Those who think that "Consideration to other road users" means that other drivers should be considerate of their wishes.

:D:D

skitler

Buellguy wrote: »

skitler wrote: »

No, I sit calmly behind him waiting for an opportunity to SAFELY overtake him as I am fully aware that HGV's are 'supposed' to be restricted to 40 on a single track road(and I'd much rather be overtaking a HGV than someone who speeds up when being overtaken).
Oh, and it's a bike rather than a car in case you hadn't twigged from my username LOL


My bold, try telling that to the very experienced (30 years plus)traffic police offer who taught me


oh, and it's you're - short for you are

but this thread is about driving slow, now how fast you can overtake to get to the burger van at devils bridge, so you can get you're breakfast.

Buellguy

skitler wrote: »

Buellguy wrote: »

but this thread is about driving slow, now how fast you can overtake to get to the burger van at devils bridge, so you can get you're breakfast.

wouldn't know about that van, never been, I tend to use my bike every day of the year (unless it's snowing)

skitler

Buellguy wrote: »

skitler wrote: »

wouldn't know about that van, never been, I tend to use my bike every day of the year (unless it's snowing)

I was just having a guess about devils bridge is all. so where is your favourite bike spot? I used to do the same, had a zzr1100 for 6 years and used it every day, I was no angel, not by a long way and still not when on the bike, in the van is a different matter, slow and steady wins the day, (the speed limit is my limit).

GabbaGabbaHey

IanMSpencer wrote: »

If you are being tailgated in traffic then the recommended action is to slow down to ensure that you have no need to brake hard - create a larger stopping distance in front.

"Recommended action" - by who? Some bloke you read on the internet?

It's certainly not the advice given by RoSPA (who are about the most risk averse motoring organisation that you could imagine) - http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/adviceandinformation/driving/road-rage.aspx

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

And when I am driving my Vito at 50mph, am I supposed to speed up to an unlawful 60 to keep the motorist behind's blood pressure suitably low?

The general advice on overtaking is when you can't overtake you should be following at the 2 second rule. If there is an opportunity coming up to overtake you can position yourself closer, but if the opportunity disappears, drop back again. If you can't overtake within the speed limit, then don't overtake. You are clearly not going to gain that much time if the car in front is doing 55mph.

Save flooring it for when you realise you've misjudged it. If you need to floor it to pass in the first place then you are taking risks.

Lots of people come up with lots of reasons for breaking the speed limit, but the system is in place to ensure that as a whole the road system is safe accounting for the general skill level of the driving population. As soon as you start playing games with who can drive safely at a higher speed, you are going to get in a mess, and experience shows that most UK drivers are pretty poor judges of their own ability.

Talking of bikers, the tailgating I really hate is the biker sitting a couple of feet away from the rear offside wing - that really is attempted suicide and one of daughter's classmate's dad died of a broken neck through being thrown off bike when car in front unexpectedly braked (my suspicion is that it was a brake test, the courts decided a tired driver might have been a factor).

skitler

GabbaGabbaHey wrote: »

"Recommended action" - by who? Some bloke you read on the internet?

It's certainly not the advice given by RoSPA (who are about the most risk averse motoring organisation that you could imagine) - http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/adviceandinformation/driving/road-rage.aspx

where do you go for legal advice, aldi.


rospa isn't the hwc


your link is to road rage, not tailgating or driving slow which is the main crux of the thread.

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

GabbaGabbaHey wrote: »

"Recommended action" - by who? Some bloke you read on the internet?

It's certainly not the advice given by RoSPA (who are about the most risk averse motoring organisation that you could imagine) - http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/adviceandinformation/driving/road-rage.aspx

Don't see where RoSPA say do not slow down - they say don't speed up and they say don't pull over or stop.

I gave the context of slowing down - increase your stopping distance (essentially you want a 2 second rule for two cars - a 4 second gap). If you are chugging along at 55 on an A road which is a reasonable overtaking road, then dropping to 50 can also be a way of letting someone overtake safely who might be reluctant to break the speed limit and feels that you should be encouraged to drive at the limit. What you don't do is slow to simply punish the driver where they cannot overtake and you are not trying to maintain a gap. However, if you are on a bendy road, you might need to slow further to account for the lack of visibility and the potential need for an emergency stop.

IAM are a perfectly reasonable source for the advice, and you'll get this advice on a speed awareness course (usually when some attendee uses tailgating as an excuse for breaking the speed limit).

Another classic tailgate scenario is at night where you can follow a car more easily than when you are in front on an unlit road. I've been monstered by someone who feels I am not driving quickly enough, and then have had to sit behind them instead (which is far easier as you get the visibility of their lights in addition to yours and to see where they are going).

There is not a one size fits all rule for how to deal with a tail-gater, but what you do not do is allow the car behind to either dictate your driving or endanger you by his.