driving slow : your views ?

skitler

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

Not really, as per the link posted about, all the evidence shows is that talking is dangerous, not how it's done. Whether the person is in the car or not really has no effect. That's why there is minimal enforcement by the police.

= its legal to do it.:T

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Who on earth told you that???


If you move closer to the vehicle in front, then your visibility is reduced, making it far more dangerous to overtake.


If you keep a safe distance behind, then you will have far better visibility. You will also be able to accelerate up to your overtaking speed, and spend as little time as possible actually overtaking.

...so you don't agree that Roadcraft represents a reasonable strategy for overtaking? (I think the reason you don't think this makes sense is that you are not typically following at the 2 second rule).

There is a lot more to overtaking than spotting a gap and booting it in Roadcraft, for example, why might Roadcraft suggest pulling out THEN accelerating?

Jamie_Carter

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

Wrong, the fact that's how you need to hold a conversation doesn't mean the rest of us do. If you're more worried about what the person on the phone thinks about you, then you are concentrating on the road in front, I agree, you shouldn't use a phone, and you know your limits, which is good.

Ignorance is bliss. It amazes me how many people think that their driving skills, and the way they are affected by outside influences is different to everyone else.


Believe me I come across many people who think exactly the way you do, usually soon after they realise that they aren't super human after all.

Jamie_Carter

IanMSpencer wrote: »

...so you don't agree that Roadcraft represents a reasonable strategy for overtaking? (I think the reason you don't think this makes sense is that you are not typically following at the 2 second rule).

So you have read a book then? But it is clear that you haven't understood it, or completed any test.


You start an overtaking manoeuvre from a safe distance, giving plenty of visibility. What you don't do is move dangerously close to a vehicle, and then start an overtaking manoeuvre, as you seem to think.

IanMSpencer wrote: »

There is a lot more to overtaking than spotting a gap and booting it in Roadcraft, for example, why might Roadcraft suggest pulling out THEN accelerating?

Don't you realise that you are actually backing up what I have said?

Cornucopia

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

You start an overtaking manoeuvre from a safe distance, giving plenty of visibility. What you don't do is move dangerously close to a vehicle, and then start an overtaking manoeuvre, as you seem to think.

Police drivers do exactly as Jamie Carter has said. They occupy a position behind the leading vehicle "poised" to overtake, as it were. It's even called the Overtaking Position.

The objective is two-fold:

1) To minimise the distance required to overtake, thereby reducing risk.
2) To minimise the distance required to overtake, thereby maximising the opportunities to do so.

I imagine improved visibility is in there somewhere, too.

You can debate whether that is in fact the best approach... but it is certainly the recommended one.

Jamie_Carter

Cornucopia wrote: »

Police drivers do exactly as Jamie Carter has said. They occupy a position behind the leading vehicle "poised" to overtake, as it were. It's even called the Overtaking Position.

You can debate whether that is in fact the best approach... but it is certainly the recommended one.

It is by far the safest way to overtake. If blue light drivers were taught any other way then there would be far more road deaths involving emergency vehicles. In fact when driving on blues you will actually pull out far earlier in order to make your presence known, and indicate your intention to other road users. But we are talking about normal driving.

Cornucopia

This is quite interesting...

http://www.iam-bristol.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=405&Itemid=58

andygb

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

Not really, as per the link posted about, all the evidence shows is that talking is dangerous, not how it's done. Whether the person is in the car or not really has no effect. That's why there is minimal enforcement by the police.

Just stop talking rubbish and quit whilst you are ahead - nobody is agreeing with you.
I have been nearly taken out several times by drivers on their phones, who have changed lanes without checking. I watched a young female driver nearly get taken out by a lorry, because she merged from a sliproad whilst on her phone. I have nearly been run over on a couple of occasions by young, female drivers on phones who failed to notice that I was on a pedestrian crossing.
People become obsessed by their phones and conversations, and forget about everything else.

nobbysn*ts

andygb wrote: »

Just stop talking rubbish and quit whilst you are ahead - nobody is agreeing with you.
I have been nearly taken out several times by drivers on their phones, who have changed lanes without checking. I watched a young female driver nearly get taken out by a lorry, because she merged from a sliproad whilst on her phone. I have nearly been run over on a couple of occasions by young, female drivers on phones who failed to notice that I was on a pedestrian crossing.
People become obsessed by their phones and conversations, and forget about everything else.

Rubbish. You'll see people do exactly the same thing driving while not on their phones, otherwise every accident would involve a mobile phone. You seem to have a lot of near misses as well, perhaps you need to exercise a bit more observation?

skitler

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

Rubbish. You'll see people do exactly the same thing driving while not on their phones, otherwise every accident would involve a mobile phone. You seem to have a lot of near misses as well, perhaps you need to exercise a bit more observation?

now you talking.:rotfl: