driving slow : your views ?

matttye

Iceweasel wrote: »

Ah yes - I well remember a few years ago a West of Scotland Assistant Chief Constable whose defense for a drink driving charge was that he was one of a very small percentage of people who were relatively unaffected by alcohol.

IIRC he was about three times over the limit.

The case was dismissed - just goes to show that with the correct lawyer - justice can be achieved and the correct result prevails.

Aye that'll be right.

Given that it's driving whilst unfit through drink or drugs or driving whilst your alcohol level is above the prescribed limit that's a crime, the case quite clearly shouldn't have been dismissed.

If your alcohol level is 40mg in 100ml of breath, then you're above the legal limit of 35mg whether it affects you or not and it's quite clearly drink driving.

Jamie_Carter

IanMSpencer wrote: »

I think it is talking apples and pears. The point I am making is that I talked about moving up from the following position to the overtaking position and got jumped on as someone assumed that what I was saying was getting up someone's backside.

Anyway, if you think that I am wrong for suggesting that there is a step in between the overtaking position and accelerating, please write to the authors and ask why Roadcraft write:


If you can point out where I said anything about moving dangerously close to a vehicle then please point this out or otherwise contradictory to this. I was accused from taking my advice from some bloke off the Internet. As far as I am concerned I've described here doing the same thing as you have done - moving from a following position to an overtaking position which is likely to be closer, but allows full visibility and you compensate by pulling further out (depending on the road), all the time assessing whether the overtake might be on in which case you will then pull out further, assessing the situation and deciding whether to pass.

The point about not accelerating as you move further out is exactly to avoid the thing that you have accused me of suggesting. If you accelerate as you are pulling out, you are encroaching on your safe distance you established was the minimum safe distance of the overtaking position so if you do need to abort having opened up the visibility completely by moving out, you need to brake and will then be pulling in at a dangerously close position.


IAM F1rst by the way, 30+ years of driving. Look it up if you wish.

Now you are just waffling, and showing that you don't actually understand what you have been reading.


There is a huge difference between reading a book, and being able to put what you have read into practice.

Jamie_Carter

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

As I said, it's not the phone, it's the conversation, as you also said. It would be the same regardless of whether it's a passenger, or someone out of the car. It's still equally as distracting.

I have already clearly explained why that isn't the case.


People have been talking to each other in cars since cars were invented. But a very large proportion of RTCs are due to mobile phone use, not just talking.

Iceweasel

It's truly amazing how much can 'be swept under the carpet' if you have the right connections.

I still laugh when I see Alastair Stewart on those police programmes on TV.

How they have the gall to have a serial drink-driver present a programme about dangerous driving is way beyond me.

They did get rid of him - for a while - them brought him back.

Look out for Gary Glitter making a come-back on CITV. :eek:

Jamie_Carter

Herzlos wrote: »

Not quite. A passenger has some situational awareness and tends to shut up if they see something odd happen or be happy with a long pause. Someone on the other end of a phone doesn't have this awareness and therefore can be more of a distraction.

Thanks....I did already explain that to them, but they chose to ignore common sense.

Jamie_Carter

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

It's interesting the way you've jumped on this subject. I never mentioned if I used a phone hands free or not. A study showing it made no difference to safety between handsfree or not has been quoted. You've decided in spite of that, you're safe, because you drive hands free. Equally, in spite of the study, I've said I'm as safe speaking on the phone, as talking to passengers, so you've decided I must be holding a phone for some reason.

There is a huge difference between using hands free and holding a handset to your ear. There have been many tests and reports that have proven this. To start with you are not in full control of your vehicle.


When driving on blues I would say from experience that about 70% of the people who are very slow getting out of the way are those who are using a mobile without hands free.

Jamie_Carter

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

It's exactly what I said, I agree. I use the phone, and indeed, the police do ignore those who don't use handsfree. It is also a stupid piece of legislation, if you think how much technology in the car now requires more attention and hands on operation.

If you believe that then you are deluded. The only way police will ignore you when you are driving and using a mobile without hands free, would be if they haven't seen you, or they are already involved in some other incident.

Jamie_Carter

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

So, neither of you ever changed the cd when driving?

It sounds like you really are unsafe to be on the road.

skitler

matttye wrote: »

I talk on my phone (hands free) all the time whilst driving, always have, and I've never had an accident.

what just one phone, a monkey can do that, try 2 phones see if that helps. :rotfl:

Jamie_Carter

Iceweasel wrote: »

It's truly amazing how much can 'be swept under the carpet' if you have the right connections.

I still laugh when I see Alastair Stewart on those police programmes on TV.

How they have the gall to have a serial drink-driver present a programme about dangerous driving is way beyond me.

They did get rid of him - for a while - them brought him back.

Look out for Gary Glitter making a come-back on CITV. :eek:

If I remember correctly, on his first show after returning he talked about the error of his ways.