SMA Progress - Tesco wouldn't sell it today!!

fsdss

LillyJ wrote: »

This is rather dangerous advice without giving an age limit on it.
Children under the age of 12 months should NEVER be given cow's milk. It can lead to serious health problems including anaemia.
After 12 months full fat milk should be given.

Formula milk is not a rip off. If you have stopped/never started breast feeding (which most people have by age 12 months) then there is no alternative.

i think you may have worded this incorrectly babies CAN have cows milk before the age of one, provided it is used in cooking.
this is current advice and if you want to dispute it, i will happily send you, current up to date information on tues when i am next in work.

daphne_descends

LillyJ wrote: »

I am afraid you seem to have got a bit over excited about this. The fact is, right or wrong, most people DON'T breast feed until age 2. Therefore there NEEDS to be an alternative, and that is NOT cows milk.

Therefore SMA and the like are needed to keep babies healthy.

What else do you propose? That people concoct their own little recipes suited to their babies? Or do you propose government enforcement of breast feeding?

Actually don't answer that, I don't need to get into a breast feeding argument, I am all for it, but the fact is that MOST people don't do it for any real length of time.

I strongly suggest you learn to read. The only person getting overexcited is you. Of course formula should be used, but that doesn't mean that the formula companies are friendly cuddly fluffy people who want the best for your baby. My problem is with the profit, not the product.


Nappy companies aren't great either, encouraging the delaying of potty training, but that's another thread. I use real nappies so not an issue in this house.

LillyJ

fac73 wrote: »

I strongly suggest you learn to read. The only person getting overexcited is you. Of course formula should be used, but that doesn't mean that the formula companies are friendly cuddly fluffy people who want the best for your baby. My problem is with the profit, not the product.


Nappy companies aren't great either, encouraging the delaying of potty training, but that's another thread. I use real nappies so not an issue in this house.

Thanks very much but reading is most certainly not an issue of mine.

They may not be fluffy cuddly people, but they provide an essential service to which, for many, there is absolutely no alternative.
There is profit in any company I am afraid, that is the world we live in.
Good for you for using real nappies, that is a real alternative. There is however no alternative (for those not breast feeding i.e. the majority) to formula milk. Just as drug companies make huge profits, we have no alternative but to take them if our health depends on it, whether we agree with their principles or not.
Disabled people need petrol to get around, but that doesn't mean that BP should stop making profit and find their kinder side.

LillyJ

fsdss wrote: »

i think you may have worded this incorrectly babies CAN have cows milk before the age of one, provided it is used in cooking.
this is current advice and if you want to dispute it, i will happily send you, current up to date information on tues when i am next in work.

I agree I did word it wrong. I was refering to cows milk as a drink and I apologise for that. I am well aware of the current guidelines being used, in PCTs especially.

I still maintain that for the vast majority of families there is no other way than to use formula milk.

daphne_descends

LillyJ wrote: »

Thanks very much but reading is most certainly not an issue of mine.

They may not be fluffy cuddly people, but they provide an essential service to which, for many, there is absolutely no alternative.
There is profit in any company I am afraid, that is the world we live in.
Good for you for using real nappies, that is a real alternative. There is however no alternative (for those not breast feeding i.e. the majority) to formula milk. Just as drug companies make huge profits, we have no alternative but to take them if our health depends on it, whether we agree with their principles or not.
Disabled people need petrol to get around, but that doesn't mean that BP should stop making profit and find their kinder side.

I know there is no alternative which is exactly my problem - parents and babies deserve better. I believe formula should be unbranded (so as not to compete) and cheap and available to every parent out there. I don't believe in the enforcement of breastfeeding as ridiculously suggested, I believe in choice - but a true choice made by parents, not formula companies and their adverts.

There's no comparison between fuel for a car and babies' nutrition. Some cars will run on veg oil!

rachnbri

LillyJ wrote: »

The fact is, right or wrong, most people DON'T breast feed until age 2.

Reading about this, and various other scares connected to formula milk makes me feel very glad that I did breastfeed both of my children until they were over 2. It certainly removed one of the many worries of motherhood.

budget_budd

OMG checked the tin I've been given my lil one all week and its been recalled! PANIC

brummiebabe

Just stumbled on this again...I actually posted last summer - can't believe the 'lively debate':eek: - came a little late though - DD is now nearly 20 months old:rotfl:

I resolved the issue easily by buying a different batch from elsewhere!

As for the formula debate - yes it's over-priced, but as I didn't want to breastfeed (this was my 3rd baby - I made the choice not to breastfeed) then you have no other option. I used the SMA progress as my DD wasn't eating solids well at all, the iron content in progress milk was higher than in the sma gold.

For the record - I started her on cow's milk at 1 - she was fine. Now though. she now won't drink any milk at all!!!!:rotfl:

The breast/bottle debate is never-ending! Each to their own I say....you have to be happy with your own choice! Happy mum = happy baby!!:D

mrcow

budget_budd wrote: »

OMG checked the tin I've been given my lil one all week and its been recalled! PANIC

Don't panic ....read the advice that the manufacturer is giving. Some of the milk in one of these batches is reported as being "lumpy" - the rest is bring recalled as a precaution. Stop using it and call SMA.

The last recall they had (some of the milk was slightly different in colour - but there was nothing wrong with it), I called them and they couriered me two replacement tins next day delivery.

LittleTinker

Just after my grandson was born we had some sma babymilk for him and half way through the tin we found a beetle!!!

Took it back to Tescos and filled out this thing and they said that the Manufacturer would contact us directly plus Tesco gave us our money back.

Some Mums would have had a complete breakdown at finding a beetle in tinned baby milk.