Anyone else on a diet and struggling?

paulineb_2

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

For those who like to follow a particular plan, the only "diet" we would ever advocate is Slimming World. We have clients working with us on exercise regimes that are following this plan and have great results.

Sorry, I clearly misunderstood that this post was praising slimming world.

paulineb_2

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

I have absolutely no idea how they formulate their "diet". I just know it's one of the healthiest commercial ones available and the only one we allow clients to follow if they don't wish to utilise our own healthy eating plan.

There are healthy options in slimming world, but as I said before when I was doing slimming world 20 years ago now, it was red day green day. I did green day. Batchelors pasta and sauce was free, as was tinned macaroni, as was tinned ravioli. As indeed was white rice and white pasta (I believe it still is). Slimming world encourages people to eat much more fruit and veg and to cook from scratch, but there are also lots of options that are processed. And as Ive said and other people who are following it have said, they also allow people to have syns, where people can have crisps, alcohol, sweets, chocolate in moderation. Every day.

Yet when the OP posts, from some of the posts on here, if she eats anything that could be remotely considered as not being clean, theres a reaction.

Well if people want to pop over to the slimming world thread on here, they'll see people doing really well and losing lots of weight, but its not a clean diet by any stretch of the imagination depending on the choices people make.

paulineb_2

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

I think you misunderstood what I said. I certainly didn't praise Slimming World. What I did say, however, was that out of all the commercial style diets it was the only one I felt had some use and actually tried to promote healthy eating in a way that none of the others do. I've seen many people do very well on it but then that was in most part because the food choices they made were healthy ones. Certainly none of the rubbish like tinned ravioli, hot dogs or some of the other things I think you previously mentioned.

The reason I don't like Weight Watchers isn't so much down to the system they use but in main because of the food products they promote and sell which may be low in fat but are also packed with sugar in most cases so are often far less healthy than ordinary branded goods.

People need to take responsibility for the food they put in their mouths. If they decide to swap out healthy nutritional food for chocolate, crisps, pastry, pizza etc regardless of whether they fit the number of calories or syns they're allowed each day then they are cheating no one but themselves at the end of the day.

Maybe they arent. Maybe for some people having that pizza that comes in at 721 calories once a week, will stop them going off on a bigger binge.

When people are dieting its considered ok to have a cheat meal. Some people might have a cheat meal once a week, for some people it might be once a month.

If the OP is still making too many poor choices food wise then surely thats something she needs to work on as time progresses.

And if people have an issue with the fact that its taken the OP years to start losing weight, well it took me far more than 3 and it took me around two years to get the confidence up to set foot in an exercise class, having been very fit before. I hope that she gets her confidence back.

SW didnt work for me. I would think that the weight loss for people who were veggie on SW would be slower because the meat eaters were consuming less calories. I remember my friend eating little more than boil in the bag beef or boil in the bag chicken with a small portion of mash, it was very protein heavy and it didnt surprise me that the meat eaters had amazing losses. Where as the green day plan was much more carb heavy.

I dont know where hot dogs fit in, because I dont eat meat and havent for almost 30 years, certainly wasnt on the SW plan I did.

This thread should be supportive, I think people are trying to give the OP support, but obviously people have different ways of doing it and as long as shes ok with that, thats fine.

~Chameleon~

paulineb wrote: »

There are healthy options in slimming world, but as I said before when I was doing slimming world 20 years ago now, it was red day green day. I did green day. Batchelors pasta and sauce was free, as was tinned macaroni, as was tinned ravioli. As indeed was white rice and white pasta (I believe it still is). Slimming world encourages people to eat much more fruit and veg and to cook from scratch, but there are also lots of options that are processed. And as Ive said and other people who are following it have said, they also allow people to have syns, where people can have crisps, alcohol, sweets, chocolate in moderation. Every day.

Yet when the OP posts, from some of the posts on here, if she eats anything that could be remotely considered as not being clean, theres a reaction.

Well if people want to pop over to the slimming world thread on here, they'll see people doing really well and losing lots of weight, but its not a clean diet by any stretch of the imagination depending on the choices people make.

It seems I've not explained myself very well and obviously have a completely different view and attitude to healthy eating than some people in this thread. The foods you mention above such as the packet and tinned pasta products don't even enter my radar because quite simply I would never eat them. Never have done. And I don't mean that in a derogatory way to anyone who does.

My concerns about what people eat go far beyond the amount of calories they're consuming, especially if their intention is to lose weight. What does concern me is the nutritional value of the food they're eating, especially if they're trying to lose weight. If I can suggest a healthier option then I will. Whether they take that advice on board is their choice. It doesn't bother me one way or the other on here as none are my clients, although it can become a little frustrating when people have such blinkered views and dismiss everything you say out of hand.

Sometimes I fire off a post without thinking too much about the way it might come across, often because I'm busy and in a hurry or distracted by other thoughts and stuff going on, so I'm sorry if I've appeared to be rude at any time. Not my intention.

Cloudydaze

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

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My concerns about what people eat goes far beyond the amount of calories they're consuming, especially if their intention is to lose weight. What does concern me is the nutritional value of the food they're eating, especially if they're trying to lose weight. If I can suggest a healthier option then I will. Whether they take that advice on board is their choice. It doesn't bother me one way or the other on here as none are my clients, although it can become a little frustrating when people have such blinkered views and dismiss everything you say out of hand.

I completely agree.


If you want to loose weight by eating low-calorie rubbish, that's entirely up to you but you should expect some criticism because it's a quick fix solution to a much longer term problem.

Tink2

Cloudydaze wrote: »

I'm astounded that anyone on a low calorie diet would waste calories on pastry. If you are restricting calories, you need to make sure ALL those calories have a nutritional value.

I'd ditch the pastry & eat half the topping with a massive green salad.

If it fits in the calories I've set I can have it, simple as that

JBD wrote: »

You could still add a massive green salad, for only a few extra calories (assuming you don't add mayonnaise or oil).
Tinks, when is your next weigh in?

I use a low cal salad dressing

28th April

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Yet it is one of the main ingredients of mayonaisse!

It's third, if it was the main like in salad cream I wouldn't be able to have it

Tink2

JBD wrote: »

The thing is, people can and do lose weight without eating an optimum diet. Pre -'obesity epidemic' days people just ate what was available, what they could afford and made the most of it. People did eat pastry, bread, potatoes, pasta etc. No one counted calories, carbs or protein. They just ate less and were over all more active.
That's why I don't really stress over what I'm eating, or buy books or follow specific diet plans. A little bit of common sense goes a long way, IMO.
When I initially lost weight (nearly 3 years ago) I ate the things that everyone says are so bad for you - weightwatchers low fat yoghurts. I ate 1 or 2 every single day for months, and still lost weight. That's just an example really - there are no real rules. Just do what suits you best.

Exactly! People seem to forget that I've lost15.8lbs eating the foods they say I shouldn't

Not all of my diet is bad

Cloudydaze

Tink2 wrote: »

If it fits in the calories I've set I can have it, simple as that

Yup, simple indeed!

Indie_Kid

You're clearly ignoring the nutritional value of foods.

paulineb_2

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

It seems I've not explained myself very well and obviously have a completely different view and attitude to healthy eating than some people in this thread. The foods you mention above such as the packet and tinned pasta products don't even enter my radar because quite simply I would never eat them. Never have done. And I don't mean that in a derogatory way to anyone who does.

My concerns about what people eat goes far beyond the amount of calories they're consuming, especially if their intention is to lose weight. What does concern me is the nutritional value of the food they're eating, especially if they're trying to lose weight. If I can suggest a healthier option then I will. Whether they take that advice on board is their choice. It doesn't bother me one way or the other on here as none are my clients, although it can become a little frustrating when people have such blinkered views and dismiss everything you say out of hand.

Sometimes I fire off a post without thinking too much about the way it might come across, often because I'm busy and in a hurry or distracted by other thoughts and stuff going on, so I'm sorry if I've appeared to be rude at any time. Not my intention.

I dont eat them either. I cant remember the last time I had macaroni cheese or Batchelors pasta in sauce. Before I started losing weight the last time, the problem was what I was eating (too many snacks), but my main meals werent unhealthy. I was just eating far too much of them. And I was injured and doing very little exercise.

I dont think I personally have ever dismissed anything you've said out of hand on any thread, we may not always have agreed but as someone who struggles with their weight and has done for a long time, it took me a long time to get the motivation to do something about my weight, a long time to get my motivation and confidence back to exercise and there are days where I still struggle with confidence (and thats something people dont see. I teach classes with no issue, doing them took me much longer to feel ok about), well Ive spoken about it on other threads doing the rounds at the moment where a few people have said that people who are overweight are lazy and greedy. Im neither. But some people may perceive me as so because Ive probably got about another stone or so to go. It actually takes balls to say Im struggling and yes people do need to be open to other peoples opinions. It also takes balls to put up a thread about your weight issues for other people to debate on. Regardless of whether youve posted similar threads in the past or not.

As for the other thread, the written word is open to interpretation, Im not easily offended, I just didnt think that adding in a couple of items to what could be considered clean eating would end up in such discussion, in fact I didnt expect that anyone would care enough to respond to the post I made at all.

I actually respect a lot of what other people post on the forum about health and weight issues and if the OP actually loses weight and makes progress, even with the pizza a week or some other items of food that need to be eaten in moderation, hopefully she'll get to her target weight and continue to introduce foods into her diet that are higher in nutrition as it were and continue to up her portions of veg and fruit.

Ive been battling an extra stone or two for the last 20 years and in recent years its been more than that extra stone or two. Four years ago I wouldnt even like to estimate what my weight was and I was doing nil exercise.

It is possible to turn things around if you have the will to do it, am sure I dont need to be telling people on here that, they already know it.

Hopefully the OP will be able to do that.