The Big Adventure

Goldiegirl

Heaven knows what's going on over there now - France are now leading 2-1 !

surfsister

the_end_of_the_rainbow wrote: »

Nearly 2 million have signed the petition to call for a second referendum which surely shows a level of unrest regarding the outcome. Boris has been very subdued since his victory, which I find strange

LONDON, United Kingdom - Pro-European spammers have fooled the British establishment into believing a million people a day have signed a petition to hold a second referendum on Brexit. The petition demands the referendum rules are retrospectively changed forcing a second vote on Britain’s membership of the EU.

But doubts were raised about the authenticity of those signing after evidence that a code was being used emerged.

It shows how the petition website was tricked into registering millions of ‘signatures’ from people who do not exist.

Further questions were raised over the petition after analysis showed that just 353k of the nearly 3 million signatures were from the UK. A total of 3000 were reported to be from Vatican City, a country with a population of just 800.

Most UK national newspapers reported on the petition today, seemingly unaware of the fraud. Both the Sunday Telegraph and Mirror put the story on the frontpage.

The Independent has run multiple stories on the subject, at one stage crowing that the website kept crashing.

The petition is hosted on Parliament’s own website and rules at the House of Commons mean any petition with over 100k signatures is considered for debate by MPs. So far no petitions have ever been refused for spam signatures, raising the possibility it might be taken seriously.

It will be open for the next six months, at the present rate of growth it will have been signed by 1,800,000,000 or thirty times the entire UK population by the time it closes.

Goldiegirl

I'm beginning to think this online poll is a red herring - the government wouldn't take any notice - there'd only be a 2nd referendum if that's what the government wanted.

I used to have a saying - 'if voting changed anything, they wouldn't allow us to do it'

When I woke on Friday morning, I thought l was wrong.

But with all the Brexit back-pedalling that seems to be going on, I'm beginning to wonder.

It seems unthinkable that they'd ignore the result of a referendum, but I get the sense they're trying to politick their way into not leaving.

I think leaving is no where near a done deal yet.

In the meantime, we've all get to try and get on with 'business as usual'

In that vein

We're having the car serviced today. We dropped it off at dealership, then walked home, via Dobbies for a coffee. They've just rung to say it's ready, so we'll set out soon to pick it up. The walk is about an hour each way, so we are getting our exercise today.

As we have a service agreement, and the car is only a year old, there'll be nothing to pay today, which is good.

Watty1

Sincerely hope it is not a done deal and that the pound picks up soon. This isn't good for my business.
Never mind the general economy - the Watty economy might suffer

Karmacat

Yep, I'm getting really concerned about the financial situation - but I think an hour each way walking for the service is very impressive, Goldie, that stands out more :rotfl:

Darpett

The financial stuff is really just froth at the minute. The value of the pound and the credit ratings agency are just indicators that we are not as good a risk and were pretty much expected. Basically we went from being in a senior management role in a business consortium to saying we want to go on a consultancy basis with this business base because the majority believe it will be better for us. All we need is a business plan....

The details of the business plan will be when any real indication of the markets show through. In the meantime any rumours or assumptions will cause wobbles and then after a while trading in our new role the markets will have actual results to base themselves on. There will be highs, there will be lows. It could be worse, it may be better.

Personally I voted to remain due to the lack of the business plan rather than any great affinity to the EU but now want to crack on to leave as soon as possible. I hope the more quickly we get plans firmed up the sooner we get stability and knowing what the exchange rate is, the business trading requirements etc, whether for the better or not for you, can at least help you plan your business accordingly.

Either way I hope you can ride out the storm - good luck in your ventures

AlexLK

Darpett, I agree. However, IMO the government should have had a plan for brexit. It seems at the moment they are trying to bury their heads in the sand and hope it all blows over. As for the internal party fights, I reckon that's causing just as much harm to the markets as the actual vote to leave did.

I'll probably get lynched on here for admitting to this but I voted to leave. It was not a choice made lightly though I was undecided before the day. To cut a long story short, I think there are too many petty laws and regulations. Whilst I don't entirely lay the blame for this on the EU, I think it does push significant amounts of absolute nonsense legislative measures onto its member states. My other reason was a purely selfish one related to a belief the EU will someday take measures to restrict the usage of classic cars. Before anyone asks, I have no problem with immigration, am a graduate with post graduate qualifications, attended fee paying schools and am not old enough to have retired. So hardly the disenfranchised, elderly, Labour supporting, poverty stricken, working class racist the media would like to portray every "leaver" to be. Mind, I am a bit Northern.

Darpett

Hi Alex, I absolutely agree about having a good business plan which is why I voted remain as I did not want any kind of pain (for anyone, not just me), short or not, for a possible but not yet negotiated gain.

In the meantime I hope small businesses have the resilience to see it through. I also hope some of the less pleasant undercurrents that have been brought to the surface are quickly dealt with as in my multicultural workplace there is a real sense that people are worried about how they are perceived and if they are even wanted.

On a more selfish note I want it decided so I can try to decide whether to increase my OP's, my investments or my savings I suspect I may be waiting some time....

AlexLK

I'm very annoyed how the government is handling themselves over this. However, not too concerned about short-mid term volatility and am happy to ride out the storm though it appears plenty are not.

Personally, I haven't seen any of the unpleasantness directed towards non-British citizens and cannot see how leaving the EU means they are not welcome. However, I live in rural Derbyshire; there's hardly a diverse population here.

Darpett

To be honest I don't think either side behaved well. That being said it is not really the place of those that wanted to remain to foist their plan of how to leave and when to leave on the leave campaign as there seems to be some differences of opinion that need to be worked on between the various leave camps.

I appreciate YOU may not mind mid term pain as you have a safety cushion, and I won't be affected in the first instance but for many it could be sufficient to do damage to their business/pensions/job security so I can see why they are concerned and want stability.

Still, it would appear we live in 'interesting times' so I am taking it all with a pinch of salt and watching the circus