Effect of Scottish Independence Vote

planteria

ColdIron wrote: »

...even Ed Balls and believe me when I say I find it deeply disturbing to be on the same side of an argument as him

i am deeply disturbed for you ColdIron:laugh:

planteria

TCA wrote: »

Which is exactly how it works with the Republic of Ireland. Why are you and anyone else putting forward this argument, not shouting for a border between Northern Ireland and ROI?

both sides of the Irish border are in the EU:laugh:

TCA

atush wrote: »

Yes, that was a concession won at the time. Now, any countries that want to join, must take the euro.

So what makes you think the concession could not be won by Scotland? That's a devil's advocate question.

ColdIron wrote: »

If the UK had a currency union and kept those billions it wouldn't be much of a separate Scotland and hardly distinguishable to the current arrangements.

If the Scots operate a different fiscal policy to the UK why should we pick up the tab? It would be completely unacceptable to the UK.

Tab for what? When Scotland goes pear shaped?

planteria wrote: »

i am intrigued by the apparent determination of Scots to join the EU. why not sail their own ship entirely?

I don't think it's necessarily high on the priorities of the Scottish people when it comes to the independence vote.

ColdIron

TCA wrote: »

Thanks. I'll check it out. The BBC isn't getting a great reputation for balanced coverage so far in Scotland. As far as I see.

Don't worry about it, the BBC lost its reputation for balanced coverage down here a while back

TCA

planteria wrote: »

because The United Kingdom and The Republic of Ireland are both EU member states.

Yes, if rUK leaves the EU and Scotland doesn't, then that would be interesting. I wonder what odds you'd get of that scenario in a couple of years.

ColdIron

TCA wrote: »

Tab for what? When Scotland goes pear shaped?

Tab for its fiscal policy decisions: tax rates, government spending, budget deficit, borrowing etc. Remember, Scotland cannot issue its own bonds

I'd go pretty pear shaped if I was at a restaurant and knew the bloke on the table next to me was paying the bill but I don't think he'd be very happy about it

planteria

TCA wrote: »

I don't think it's necessarily high on the priorities of the Scottish people when it comes to the independence vote.

don't you? i don't think it should be, but that seems to be the impression given. perhaps, as referred to above, the SNP will push through independence and then the Scottish people will elect people who actually have the sense to not want to join the EU afterall. i would like to see that.

planteria

TCA wrote: »

So what makes you think the concession could not be won by Scotland? That's a devil's advocate question.

those days are very, very gone. the EU can only integrate further. and those members that don't want to will leave. can't wait:D.

planteria

TCA wrote: »

Yes, if rUK leaves the EU and Scotland doesn't, then that would be interesting. I wonder what odds you'd get of that scenario in a couple of years.

you must get it by now, and are just trying to get a rise.. Scotland isn't going to be left behind, within the EU, if England, Wales & Northern Ireland leave. in the scenario outlined, the Jocks are first out:p

atush

TCA wrote: »

So what makes you think the concession could not be won by Scotland? That's a devil's advocate question.

Because the rest of Europe WANTED the UK and denmark in, and so that was the bargain struck.

I can't see scotland having any political or other capital to be able to make such a deal, esp as we can see some countries won't want an independant Scotland in. Such as Spain.

In fact, I think the rest of europe are a bit peeved about the UK special concessions, they won't be looking to hand out more lol