Effect of Scottish Independence Vote

TCA

planteria wrote: »

Scotland will not be kicked out of the EU. if they leave the UK they will be leaving the EU too. if they want to reapply for membership, they can. but, as it stands, they will not be accepted.

Scotland is not leaving the UK the day after a yes vote. There is plenty time to negotiate continued membership of the EU. Still waiting to hear why they would not be accepted?

innovate wrote: »

It takes between 7 and 10 years for a country to be accepted into the EU. Every new joiner had to go through the same processes to gain their right for membership.

There is no reason why a new country, with many as yet unresolved issues, would get any different treatment than other countries. When it comes to the necessary vote, I wouldn't be surprised if countries like Bulgaria or Romania would probably at least abstain if not vote no. Never mind some other countries such as Spain or France.

The Yes campaign is now re-assuring people that they know better than 27 other countries, and that none of them has said they were against Scotland joining.

You're also talking about a new joiner and you're assuming Scotland would just be booted out. What are these unresolved issues barring continued membership of the EU?

A lot would be clearer if the UK as a member state, made a formal enquiry to the EU to ask these questions. But it refuses to. Why do you think that is?

TCA

planteria wrote: »

it is clear that Scotland would need to apply for membership in it's own right right. Scotland would not be able to 'stay in' the EU.

It is not clear and this has never been confirmed. The only way to find out is for the UK government to ask the question, and it refuses to.

planteria

innovate wrote: »

I don't think you meant to say that? Scotland can apply like any other European country can apply. They would probably have very good chances to get accepted but it will take years for a decision to made.

i did innovate, as ive just posted. a former country within an EU nation isn't going to be accepted as it stands.

ColdIron

TCA wrote: »

Such as?

A functioning market economy? A hard one to pull off without a currency

TCA

planteria wrote: »

i did innovate, as ive just posted. a former country within an EU nation isn't going to be accepted as it stands.

Still waiting to hear why and where in the EU constitution it specifically says this.

ColdIron

TCA wrote: »

It is not clear and this has never been confirmed. The only way to find out is for the UK government to ask the question, and it refuses to.

If Scotland wants to stand alone it needs to grow a pair, can it not ask the question itself? Are there not Scottish MEPs?

It seems to me to be a defining feature of the Nats that whenever something awkward comes up they are quick to point the finger elsewhere rather than take responsibility for their own destiny

atush

There is plenty time to negotiate continued membership of the EU. Still waiting to hear why they would not be accepted?

For a start, they would not be accepted if they did not want the euro. And they seem to want to keep sterling.

Second, they may or may not be accepted but that would take years esp as regards their economy.

This whole independance thing has been pushed thru and king sal and his mates have spent no time in actually finding out what is possible and what is not.

A complete shambles

TCA

ColdIron wrote: »

A functioning market economy? A hard one to pull off without a currency

Yes, doubtful Scotland could survive without England looking after its every interest. It's a wonder any small country bothers about self-governance. Just listen to yourself.

As for currency, Scotland can use whatever it wants. It doesn't need a formal currency union to use the pound. I personally think there are many advantages to using its own currency.

planteria

TCA wrote: »

Still waiting to hear why....

as above. and it is indeed atush. but it could work out very well indeed.

ColdIron

TCA wrote: »

I personally think there are many advantages to using its own currency.

And what is the current market value of a Groat?