Effect of Scottish Independence Vote

planteria

Buzby wrote: »

You mean rUK leaving - Scotland would either remain, or join.

i mean what i said, yes. if Scotland leaves the UK, it would increase the chances of the UK leaving the EU. i assume that the Scots will be keen to join the EU. if so, as things stand, they will be rejected.

BeatTheSystem

planteria wrote: »

i mean what i said, yes. if Scotland leaves the UK, it would increase the chances of the UK leaving the EU. i assume that the Scots will be keen to join the EU. if so, as things stand, they will be rejected.

Yes:-


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26215963

planteria

TCA wrote: »

Why do you assume that the SNP would be the government in an independent Scotland? Even if they succeeded and independence was achieved to their timescale in March 2016, Salmond could be out on his ear in the elections of May 2016.

a very valid point. they wouldnt want the SNP to actually run the country, long-term, surely? the UK would be better off outside the EU, but we don't need Nigel Farage, character though he is, as Prime Minister.

planteria

can't watch that here [at work], BTS, but i assume that Barroso will be avoiding saying too much. but the reality is that no former part of an EU member country is going to be allowed in, for now. does he say that?

Buzby

BeatTheSystem wrote: »

It makes me laugh when pro Scottish independence voters support EU membership, if you want independence why don't you also want independence from the

Because you do not understand the real issues? As I recall, I was a supporter of the EU since its inception, and apart from a few nonsensical aberrations have been pretty good in ensuring my status and freedoms - something that Westminster is quite happy to ignore. Most recently, the labour government's grandiose plan to have ID cards with passports - dumped when they were noted out of office.

We want independence from Westminster because nothing Scotland votes for can be achieved there. The beloved FPTP voting system contributes greatly to this. Indeed, the number of bent politicians down there makes the Scottish parliament seem divine by comparison!

We dislike the 'little englander' approach you clearly espouse - as a small country, EU membership brings many benefits to Scotland you either don't like or feel are irrelevant to England. That is your right - but don't expect me to be happy at finding I'm voted out of the EU singly because Voters in England want it - that isn't democratic.

Buzby

BeatTheSystem wrote: »

Yes:-


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26215963

I think not. I'm already an EU constituent and will not tolerate any change without national approval. Either way, it remains speculation - so hardly definitive.

ColdIron

Buzby wrote: »

We want independence from Westminster because nothing Scotland votes for can be achieved there

Au contraire, surely this is what the Scottish parliament is for. You would also do well to acquaint yourself with the West Lothian Question

dunstonh

Going off the debate but onto consequences.....

In financial services, a lot of financial firms and providers will not offer their products to non-residents of the UK. So, an independent Scotland could lose access to a range of UK products of services.

If Scotland joined the EU, then firms in the UK wishing to offer services to Scotland would require a MiFID passport and at the moment, most dont have it (its another layer of cost and regulation). So, would firms decide to not offer services to Scotland or would they go with increased regulation and cost to offer services to Scotland but would that be at a higher cost than the UK or would they expect the UK to cross subsidise a foreign country?

The grocery supermarkets has said that Scotland currently benefits from a cross subsidy as the cost of distribution to Scotland is higher than England & Wales but is priced as one market. That would end as Scotland would be treated as an international market. So, pricing differences could well be something we see in a number of retail markets and there is no reason to think that financial services would be any different ( http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/064cc436-5e7e-11e3-8621-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2mxzCFTlF )

TCA

dunstonh wrote: »

If Scotland joined the EU.....

You are assuming Scotland and its citizens would be kicked out the EU. It's just my opinion, but I can't see that happening. The SNP line of applying from "within" makes sense to me. I don't see the rights of EU citizenship suddenly being withdrawn from 5 million Scots. And I don't see why the EU wouldn't want an independent Scotland to be a member when the likes of Romania, Bulgaria and whoever else are welcomed into the fold. Comments from self-serving politicians like Barroso saying "extremely difficult, if not impossible" for an independent Scotland to join the European Union, are just rubbish.

dunstonh

You are assuming Scotland and its citizens would be kicked out the EU. It's just my opinion, but I can't see that happening.

Do you think Spain would vote in Scotland's favour? Despite the Gibralter issue, Spain has Catalonia to deal with and you cannot see it helping Scotland as it would undermine it's position with Catalonia.