After ATOS assessment, have been taken off ESA

schrodie

cattermole wrote: »

Errrr yes they did! Or in horrific large institutions.

It was actually the Tories that bought in "Care in the Community".

Looks like Insidious Duncan-Smith sees Care in the Community as a disaster...he does have a point! Here

nannytone_2

QuackQuackOops wrote: »

If you neatly "tick all the boxes" it's because that's what the system is for.

Many of the people saying "Atos are wrong. They found me fit for work" will indeed be fit for work.
They are just peed off that they aren't getting benefits anymore.

that isnt true. i am blind, and any brief examination of my retinas will corroborate this fact.
but many devilitating conditions are variable and they affect people in different ways.
it's like saying that just because you have legs, you can walk!
we all know that many people have legs but are unable to walk!
and the descriptors themselves ... lifting an empty carboard box ... putting something into your top pocket ...
what exactly do they prove?

i am physically capable of almost anything ( ok, im not that strong, but i am a small person so couldnt be a weight lifter!)

yet i meet 1 support group descriptor.
i cant read 16 point print or read braille.

that gives me automatic qualification for ESA.
yet others that are far more physically disabled are found 'fit for work'

cattermole

schrodie wrote: »

Looks like Insidious Duncan-Smith sees Care in the Community as a disaster...he does have a point! Here

It's specific to people with mental illness though isn't it?

Whilst I'm sure he does have a point not sure how that sits with other policies he seems so keen on?

QuackQuackOops

nannytone wrote: »

that isnt true. i am blind, and any brief examination of my retinas will corroborate this fact.
but many devilitating conditions are variable and they affect people in different ways.
it's like saying that just because you have legs, you can walk!
we all know that many people have legs but are unable to walk!
and the descriptors themselves ... lifting an empty carboard box ... putting something into your top pocket ...
what exactly do they prove?

i am physically capable of almost anything ( ok, im not that strong, but i am a small person so couldnt be a weight lifter!)

yet i meet 1 support group descriptor.
i cant read 16 point print or read braille.

that gives me automatic qualification for ESA.
yet others that are far more physically disabled are found 'fit for work'

You can't compare people. Each person is assessed on their own merits.
Extremely physically disabled people can be found 'fit for work', others are not.

Blind people are able to work too. So what does an assessor take into consideration when determining which blind person can work and which can't?

Yes, some groups of people will find it much harder to find a job but that is not the same as being "unfit for work".

Indie_Kid

QuackQuackOops wrote: »

Blind people are able to work too.

Some can and some can't. Many people with visual impairments also have other disabilities too, which coupled with sight loss, making working very difficult.

QuackQuackOops

Indie_Kid wrote: »

Some can and some can't. Many people with visual impairments also have other disabilities too, which coupled with sight loss, making working very difficult.

Which is what I just said up there^

"Each person is assessed on their own merits."

nannytone_2

it doesnt matter whaether a blind person can work or not
and that is the point i am trying to make.
if you cant read 16 point print or braille, then you automatically get into the support group.
nothing about previous work exprerience or ability.
just the facyt that you cant read 16 point print or braille.
someone who cant move at all without significant pain can be deemed fit for work though because they dont tick any box quite so neatly

QuackQuackOops

nannytone wrote: »

it doesnt matter whaether a blind person can work or not
and that is the point i am trying to make.
if you cant read 16 point print or braille, then you automatically get into the support group.
nothing about previous work exprerience or ability.
just the facyt that you cant read 16 point print or braille.
someone who cant move at all without significant pain can be deemed fit for work though because they dont tick any box quite so neatly

Pain is difficult to assess but easy to 'fake'.

If not reading braille is enough to stop a blind person from working because they can sit back on benefits, then I find it shocking they don't bother learning.

You see, this is the problem that the country is trying to cope with.
These benefits were originally intended for those people who genuinely could not work.
Having no legs is no reason not to work but some people with no legs can't.
Being blind is no reason not to work, but some won't be able to.

These days there are far too many people claiming sickness & disability benefits and it's out of control.
Each person has to be tested on their own merits and this huge problems needs reducing by half.

For the people who are now used to sitting back on benefits, they are not happy about giving them up but half of them are fit for work yet make so many excuses not to.

Many a time there is a job that a disabled person can do but they just can't be bothered to look for it, preferring instead to stay home doing their hobbies and being paid for it.

Indie_Kid

nannytone wrote: »

it doesnt matter whaether a blind person can work or not
and that is the point i am trying to make.
if you cant read 16 point print or braille, then you automatically get into the support group.
nothing about previous work exprerience or ability.
just the facyt that you cant read 16 point print or braille.
someone who cant move at all without significant pain can be deemed fit for work though because they dont tick any box quite so neatly

If they couldn't move at all, they'd get the full points for being unable to mobilise.

If not reading braille is enough to stop a blind person from working because they can sit back on benefits, then I find it shocking they don't bother learning.

It's not so much not bothering, it's not a course that is widely taught. I had to wait around 18 months (maybe longer) just to start learning.

Being blind is no reason not to work, but some won't be able to.

How rude.:mad: You are aware that there's a serious health and safety risk for people with severe sight impairments? And for many of us, our sight isn't just affected. My visual impairment means my balance is affected too.

I wonder if you have any experience of being lind? I have a feeling the answer is no.

How on earth can someone work if they struggle with public transport, struggle to make themselves breakfast without making amess and struggle to get dressed?

nannytone_2

my blance is extremely poor too.
and yes i night be able to do a repetitve task if i was rooted to the spot.
but then id be seen as a hazard in an emergency because i wouldnt be able to 'save myself'
im not using that as an excuse not to work ... but it is a reason that people wont employ me!

as for the braille thing... i agree with indie.
i have tried time and time again, but there is nowhere available for me to learn