After ATOS assessment, have been taken off ESA

Morglin

They are not finding that many fit for work now. They are are just split between 2 groups (WRAG and Support), instead of 1. The numbers actually claiming sickness benefit has barely changed, after appeals.

New claimants are supposed to be assessed after 13 weeks, but the system is in such chaos, everything is delayed.

However, you can phone the office, paying his ESA, and ask how much longer if will be.

Lin

Happychappy

Morglin wrote: »

Even though you have asked a bleating, general question, I shall try not to respond in kind...;)

During the 80's, I worked for the DHSS (as it was then) and thousand of people were transferred, for very little reason, off of the unemployment register and put onto sickness benefits, that's a fact! The rocketing unemployment was making it very politically dangerous for Thatcher's government, and this was a way out.

Major continued with this, as did Blair, for a while.

But, times changed, as they do.

Many, during the mid 2000's, thought the system was 'broken', with thousands scamming, so, in 2008 ESA was bought in, complete with independent assessments.

However, despite all the assessments by independent assessors, such as ATOS, although it might mean independent appeal, there are as many people claiming sickness benefits today as there were in 2010.

Which suggest, unless every medical professional is getting it wrong, that those getting sickness benefits, are entitled to them.

Which therefore also suggests that although the system may well have been broken in the 80's, for political expediency, it is, actually, not very broken at all now!

Your problem appears to be that you do not actually understand disability, employment or how it is actually is. You probably also don't understand continuing ill health, it's effects, and there's no reason why you would.

Years ago, many employers had to fill quotas, as to how many disabled people they employed, now the quotas have been stopped, and the majority of employers won't even interview anyone with disabilities.:mad:

This government has virtually destroyed Remploy - a major employer for disabled.

The JCP and WP know this, which is why so many are just parked on benefits, and left to get on with it. There are no jobs for even those wanting to work.

As for who's paying for what, well, we all support others (I help support anyone with kids, working or not!), and many people on benefits pay tax, as most benefits are taxable.

Perhaps you should look at the whole thing a little more closely and not take your opinions from papers like the Daily Mail!

Lin

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2554183/Benefit-fraudster-pocketed-100-000-claiming-virtually-immobile-caught-film-pole-dancing-trampolining.html

How did this fraudster get onto high rate DLA, shows the system doesn't work, Survellience is clearly the way forward.

cattermole

You still haven't come up with the evidence for your claims.

I really cannot engage with people who think articles in the DM mean all disabled people are defrauding the system.

DLA fact has the lowest rate of fraud of any benefit- source DWP.

This board is for discussion on Disability & Dosh not for DM readers who seem to think every disabled person is a pole dancer!!

CTcelt1988

Happychappy wrote: »

why are we the worst country in the world for 20 to 34 year old claiming incapacity or disability benefits,

Read what is written, why does the Uk with the worlds most generous benefit system have the highest number of benefit claimants in this category :cool:

Is it

A Our 20 to 34 year old have a harder life :rotfl:
B Our 20 to 34 year old have more disease and chronic illnesses:eek:
C Our 20 to 34 don't need to work as they can easily claim benefits and let someone else pay for their lifestyle ? :T
D ...........your answer please

Mine is C, come on answer this question, :money: but read it first before answering and give an answer not a bleating general statement. Shan't hold my breath

Where is your evidence to back up your statement? If you think it's that easy to claim benefits, why not try it yourself?

Morglin

Happychappy wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2554183/Benefit-fraudster-pocketed-100-000-claiming-virtually-immobile-caught-film-pole-dancing-trampolining.html

How did this fraudster get onto high rate DLA, shows the system doesn't work, Survellience is clearly the way forward.

Have you ever consider the fact that the reason these cases get into the newspapers is that they are so rare?

If it happened a lot, it wouldn't be newsworthy, would it? :think:

Fraud has been assessed (by this government as well) as approx 0.5%, which it has been for many years.

There is neither the manpower or the staff for wide scale surveillance , partly because funding and staff numbers have been cut........by this government!

Official error is a major problem - perhaps they should train the staff better, as they used to?



Lin

tinkledom

cattermole wrote: »

DLA fact has the lowest rate of fraud of any benefit- source DWP.

If I take that to be the truth. Are you saying that the fraud rate as put out by the DWP in respect of DLA relates to the 'known' fraud?


If so, what are they doing about it?


What then about the 'unknown' fraud? Are the DWP suggesting that they know where the fraud is and can capitalise it AND that there is no other DLA fraud going on?


Rubbish, I could quite easily point the DWP to two people that are taking over £200 a week between them in fraudulently obtained DLA. Maybe the DWP already know of them and are including them in their figures but doing nothing about it.


My opinion is that the figures put out by the DWP are just the tip of a very big iceberg!

nannytone_2

i used to work for DIAL, and stopped because there were ( in my opinion) too many people using my expertise, to gain benefit that they were not entitled to.
i knew that some were blatently lying ( some i actually 'saw' evidence to contradict what they were telling me) but my manager told me that is wasnt my job to adjudicate, just to fill the forms in to get the best possible result for the client/
so a;though i do think that fraudulent claims run at higher than the 0.5%, i still think that they are a tiny minority.
happychappy... you seem to think that every claimant should be treated as if the are claiming fraudulently, unless the prove otherwise ( which they already have to, with medical reports etc) i can only imagine what you consider they would need to do to prove themselves to be entitled.
sick/disabled people have already been dealt a bad hand, and yet try to carry on.
to deliberately make their lives even more difficult seems more than a little inhumane

tinkledom

CTcelt1988 wrote: »

If you think it's that easy to claim benefits, why not try it yourself?

We did and it was easy. We could have kept quiet about the adaptions that we have made to our home which now reduce my wife's needs in respect of her AA claim. If we had she would still be receiving her award. They are easy to get and just as easy to lose.
As for ESA, if you can put up a very convincing show at a face to face you are almost 90% on your way to getting an award. I had an assessor tell me last week that she 'will do everything she can to make sure I get an acceptable award, but couldn't promise anything, but you should be alright'. No independent evidence has been submitted so we will see.
(Mind you PIP is a totally different proposition, many that claimed DLA are in for a very big awakening).

Indie_Kid

Happychappy wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2554183/Benefit-fraudster-pocketed-100-000-claiming-virtually-immobile-caught-film-pole-dancing-trampolining.html

How did this fraudster get onto high rate DLA, shows the system doesn't work, Survellience is clearly the way forward.

How would survellience help? It wouldn't show the days when people are in too much pain / fatigued that they can't wash themselves, etc. You can't see pain, nor do you know what those of us with sensory issues can (or can't) see or hear.

schrodie

Happychappy wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2554183/Benefit-fraudster-pocketed-100-000-claiming-virtually-immobile-caught-film-pole-dancing-trampolining.html

How did this fraudster get onto high rate DLA, shows the system doesn't work, Survellience is clearly the way forward.

She may be one of the 0.5% of fraudulent DLA claims