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Mark_Mark

custardy wrote: »

So in short you are right and all the cases were in line with sentencing guidelines?

Well show us the ones where sentence was increased on appeal because they were wrong first time.

custardy

Mark_Mark wrote: »

Well show us the ones where sentence was increased on appeal because they were wrong first time.

So now I need to go and provide proof against your opinion?
Seems strange my opinion isnt as valid

custardy

Johno100 wrote: »

That's one place you are not, if you believe you and your brethren can turn the UK into some sort of cycling nirvana. You ask a classroom of teens if they aspire to have a nice car or a nice push-bike when they older and see the result.

Don't fret John You will grow out of those teenage urges eventually.

Mark_Mark

custardy wrote: »

So now I need to go and provide proof against your opinion?
Seems strange my opinion isnt as valid

Read the sentencing guidelines and tell me where a mistake has been made. You'll find it's not my opinion but judges doing as they're meant to do.

Your problem is your are very blinkered on this subject.

Norman_Castle

SLITHER99 wrote: »

The cyclist started shouting at the driver at the first set of lights. The cyclist wasn't shouting or aggressive at the first set of lights. He was polite Regardless of the triviality or seriousness of of the Audi driver's actions, the cyclist could equally have just left the Audi alone to carry on whatever it was doing and go have a moan to someone else about what a stupid motorist they were.

After this, the cyclist then decided to verbally abuse the driver directly at the next set of lights. IMO, this was certainly unnecessary and he raised his voice. How do you know that there wasn't a young girl driving the car? We know because the end of the video clearly shows a man driving Exactly how big is this cyclist then?

Two accounts of threatening behaviour right there.One account of offensive verbal abuse And we have no way of knowing if the cyclist then made contact with the car and no reason to suggest he did as they frequently do sometimes punching the glass. In my opinion, the guy who got out equally over reacted, but it's not like he wasn't provoked. He wasn't provoked. The shouting was directed at the driver. He was a back seat passenger. Unless he was dictating how the driver drove, it was none of his business

Personally if I see a large bloke sitting in the back of an Audi, the last thing I'm going to do is go and start something... I quite like the front of my head where it is. This cyclist was on a power trip and felt the onus of telling this driver off fell to him and him alone. He already knows that the law is on his side regardless and, as time will most likely tell, he will successfully sue for assault. That doesn't make him right. It just makes him a total w****r who is sadly "in the right".

I think it was a clash of cultures. The cyclist who believes in following the rules and the cars occupants who disregard them.

SLITHER99

I do get out in the real world on my bike regularly! I also notice that I am nearly always the only road cyclist actually adhering to the rules of the road or allowing other road users any sort of common courtesy. I've even had names shouted at me before by other cyclists seemingly for being stupid enough to stop at a red light! In the 20 years I've been cycling on the roads, I've never once had a single encounter with another vehicle!

If I can do it, what's wrong with the rest of them? I would wager it is a simple case of arseholism.

custardy

SLITHER99 wrote: »

I do get out in the real world on my bike regularly! I also notice that I am nearly always the only road cyclist actually adhering to the rules of the road or allowing other road users any sort of common courtesy. I've even had names shouted at me before by other cyclists seemingly for being stupid enough to stop at a red light! In the 20 years I've been cycling on the roads, I've never once had a single encounter with another vehicle!

If I can do it, what's wrong with the rest of them? I would wager it is a simple case of arseholism.

I dont get your point?
It doesnt matter what you do,
You are held to account by the lowest common denominator.

custardy

Mark_Mark wrote: »

Read the sentencing guidelines and tell me where a mistake has been made. You'll find it's not my opinion but judges doing as they're meant to do.

Your problem is your are very blinkered on this subject.

Which brings us right back to the point of the thread.
Which you didnt post on...

SLITHER99

The cyclist wasn't shouting or aggressive at the first set of lights. He was polite

No, his tone I found to be antagonistic! His rising inflexion is clearly an attempt to goad the driver! The cyclist was obviously factually correct in his statement, but he could easily have just not said or done anything. The fact is, he purposely went out of his way to lecture the driver in a fairly condescending tone I found!

The Audi driver was not blocking his passage on the road. Correctly or not, the move was clearly an attempt to prepare to overtake the cyclists amassing in the cycle area. Nobody likes being stuck behind cyclists riding five-abreast giving no heed to car drivers who wish to overtake. I know this, you know this, every one of those cyclists knows this and the Audi driver knew this.

Not going to argue the legalities here, but that's what happened. And really who would it have hurt?

The cyclist was clearly trying to engage the driver in a conversation he didn't want to have and did so in an antagonistic way!

The fact is, the cyclist became EVEN MORE enraged when the Audi driver drove off before the cyclist could deliver the piece of his mind he apparently deserved. I don't hear or see the car driver doing anything other than driving when the lights was in his favor and doing so quickly so as to evade this confrontation! I do however clearly hear the cyclist ranting as the Audi drives off into the distance and cycling like crazy to catch up with him!

We know because the end of the video clearly shows a man driving
I don't see this. Care to point out a time index? I see a man at the end who clearly re-enters the car using a rear door. This says to me he's a passenger! Unless those Audi are made so you drive from the rear seat... not something I remember seeing as an option on the Audi price list.

Two accounts of threatening behavior right there.One account of offensive verbal abuse
So we agree - two counts of threatening behavior, one of which was offensive verbal abuse.

And we have no way of knowing if the cyclist then made contact with the car and no reason to suggest he did

As a cyclist yourself, you well know that cyclists do enjoy inflicting damage on cars knowing full well they will get away with it especially in order to keep the car driving public in line! I've had conversations with other cyclists where they do just that! If they believe a car driver has wronged them, a "quick scratch on the side with a key does the world of good". And please, don't tell me you haven't heard the same damn thing.

Of course, nothing to suggest that the cyclist did so in this case, but as he was shouting at the window I could believe that he had certainly lost his temper for no reason and was being controlled by his emotions.

IMO, he deserved the smacking out he got!

He wasn't provoked. The shouting was directed at the driver. He was a back seat passenger. Unless he was dictating how the driver drove, it was none of his business

I'm sorry that's crap! If someone was screaming and shouting at your wife, son, daughter, whatever, would you pleasantly sit in the back of the car and tell them afterwards "Sorry you got your !!! handed to you and sorry that the angry man smacking at the window shouting at you obviously scared you. But you see unfortunately it was none of my business!"

If you're going to say that yes you would then you really suck as a person!

I think it was a clash of cultures. The cyclist who believes in following the rules and the cars occupants who disregard them.

I think it's more than that. Cyclists gang up on motorists full stop! For no other reason than they can and the law is always on their side! You know those managers at work who really shouldn't be managers because the power goes to their heads? Cyclists!

SLITHER99

custardy wrote: »

I dont get your point?
It doesnt matter what you do,
You are held to account by the lowest common denominator.

My point was that someone previously eluded that I have no idea what it's like to be a cyclist. I was correcting this thought.

I was also offering that I regularly see cyclists barely giving car drivers - or even pedestrians - more than a passing thought especially on London's roads.

And you're right, it doesn't matter what I do, or say... the law is on the law of the cyclist always which means you can act with impunity. This is why every single cyclist, as soon as they're out on the road, behaves in a manner I wouldn't even expect in a children's playground. Then they get all butthurt when they do themselves an injury or a car driver reacts in a manner such as this instead of taking their lesson from that cyclist like a good little boy and maybe begging forgiveness!