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messes

Couple of points to various posts here;

It wasn't the passenger who punched the cyclist, it was the driver. There was only one passenger in the left front seat.

That ASL doesn't have a feeder lane, it has a 2inch gap between the kerb and the start of the white line. So true, technically nothing should enter it while the lights are red. Which makes that whole ASL pointless, perhaps the council should have tried harder to meet traffic regs.

The Audi driver did make the decision to pull into the ASL once the third cyclist came abreast of the other two, therefore blocking his easy intended path off the lights.

He could have waited an extra few seconds pulling away as the cyclists would have all peeled off into the bus lane to the left. It wasn't necessary to semi over-take at the ASL, so the action can be interpreted as aggressive positioning.

I ride, drive and motorcycle. On a bicycle I am much more aware that I can't get out of dangerous situations as such a car takes on a higher threat level in my mind. Especially if what I've seen of the drivers previous driving suggests they either don't know or care that I'm there.

I agree the cyclist chasing down the driver certainly didn't help but at the ASL, by pointing out the encroachment he was merely calling the driver on his decision to unnecessarily advance.

Mark_Mark

If it was the driver who assaulted the cyclist, why does he open the rear door to get back in?

Norman_Castle

It wasn't the passenger who punched the cyclist, it was the driver. There was only one passenger in the left front seat.

It was a back seat passenger who assaulted the cyclist.

SLITHER99

Having been successfully sued by a cyclist after he rode into me, I can tell you every time the law is on the side of the cyclist. In my case, my car hadn't actually moved yet, he rode into me while I was parked and I was waiting for my windows to demist!

IMO, if cyclists choose to use the roads, they should do so with the respect it deserves! They are dangerous places and to treat it as flippantly as they do does annoy me.

I couldn't care less if I'm waiting in traffic and a cyclist is zooming away. You crack on, mate! I'm nice and warm and plenty entertained by my radio!

There are so many cyclists who believe that the responsibility for their safety is solely in the hands of car drivers and that little to no regard should be paid to what a motorist is able to do. Yes, cars have blind spots. If you're creeping up on a car turning left, chances are that their visibility is greatly reduced with respect to a cyclist who has no intention of stopping and treating them like an obstacle; even more so if they're turning right!

The fact is, just because a person is driving a car does not equip them with the power of foresight. They are human and mistakes will be made on occasion. Congratulations if you are Captain Infallible but 99% of humans are not. If you elect to ride dangerously and magically expect that every other car driver is magically aware of your presence especially if you are certainly not riding appropriate to the conditions, then you are at the very least equally as responsible for any incidents!

What annoys me further is when cyclists refuse to use cycle lanes. They're there for your safety. What goes through your mind when there's a crystal clear cycle lane yet you choose to plank yourself on a narrow road where cars are trying not only to look out for each other but now suddenly have to manage a twerp on a bike against oncoming traffic? The only thing I can figure is "Because you can, because it's legal and you just want to impose yourself on everyone else."

Two words: Selfish p****s!

Cyclists really do need to feel the wrath of the law the same as car drivers and be equally as accountable. The prospect of calling yourself a road user whose laws do not apply as "they're perfectly safe to ignore" is perverse. If there's a red light, you wait! If traffic is moving slowly, you do too! If there is a speed limit, you should adhere to it too.

My best weapon is my dash cam. It's already proved useful on two occasions so far! Once against a braindead cyclist who then got his cyclist buddies to gang up on a car driver I wish I could post the footage but it's subject to a police matter at this point.

messes

In which case I understand even less why the passenger felt they needed to get out and punch the cyclist. Unless everyone in that car was feeling particularly aggressive that day.

SLITHER99

The cyclist started shouting at the driver at the first set of lights. Regardless of the triviality or seriousness of of the Audi driver's actions, the cyclist could equally have just left the Audi alone to carry on whatever it was doing and go have a moan to someone else about what a stupid motorist they were.

After this, the cyclist then decided to verbally abuse the driver directly at the next set of lights. IMO, this was certainly unnecessary and he raised his voice. How do you know that there wasn't a young girl driving the car? Exactly how big is this cyclist then?

Two accounts of threatening behaviour right there. And we have no way of knowing if the cyclist then made contact with the car as they frequently do sometimes punching the glass. In my opinion, the guy who got out equally over reacted, but it's not like he wasn't provoked.

Personally if I see a large bloke sitting in the back of an Audi, the last thing I'm going to do is go and start something... I quite like the front of my head where it is. This cyclist was on a power trip and felt the onus of telling this driver off fell to him and him alone. He already knows that the law is on his side regardless and, as time will most likely tell, he will successfully sue for assault. That doesn't make him right. It just makes him a total w****r who is sadly "in the right".

custardy

SLITHER99 wrote: »

Having been successfully sued by a cyclist after he rode into me, I can tell you every time the law is on the side of the cyclist. In my case, my car hadn't actually moved yet, he rode into me while I was parked and I was waiting for my windows to demist!

IMO, if cyclists choose to use the roads, they should do so with the respect it deserves! They are dangerous places and to treat it as flippantly as they do does annoy me.

I couldn't care less if I'm waiting in traffic and a cyclist is zooming away. You crack on, mate! I'm nice and warm and plenty entertained by my radio!

There are so many cyclists who believe that the responsibility for their safety is solely in the hands of car drivers and that little to no regard should be paid to what a motorist is able to do. Yes, cars have blind spots. If you're creeping up on a car turning left, chances are that their visibility is greatly reduced with respect to a cyclist who has no intention of stopping and treating them like an obstacle; even more so if they're turning right!

The fact is, just because a person is driving a car does not equip them with the power of foresight. They are human and mistakes will be made on occasion. Congratulations if you are Captain Infallible but 99% of humans are not. If you elect to ride dangerously and magically expect that every other car driver is magically aware of your presence especially if you are certainly not riding appropriate to the conditions, then you are at the very least equally as responsible for any incidents!

What annoys me further is when cyclists refuse to use cycle lanes. They're there for your safety. What goes through your mind when there's a crystal clear cycle lane yet you choose to plank yourself on a narrow road where cars are trying not only to look out for each other but now suddenly have to manage a twerp on a bike against oncoming traffic? The only thing I can figure is "Because you can, because it's legal and you just want to impose yourself on everyone else."

Two words: Selfish p****s!

Cyclists really do need to feel the wrath of the law the same as car drivers and be equally as accountable. The prospect of calling yourself a road user whose laws do not apply as "they're perfectly safe to ignore" is perverse. If there's a red light, you wait! If traffic is moving slowly, you do too! If there is a speed limit, you should adhere to it too.

My best weapon is my dash cam. It's already proved useful on two occasions so far! Once against a braindead cyclist who then got his cyclist buddies to gang up on a car driver I wish I could post the footage but it's subject to a police matter at this point.

quite a rant there.get out on a bike and come back and tell me how it goes.
I have the 'benefit' of knowing what its like in the real world
Did you notice who was breaking the road law in the video?

custardy

sinbad182 wrote: »

As does anyone who isnt trying to exaggerate the situation beyond on recognition to try and validate the shakey point they're trying to make.



Its indicative of the general apathy 99% of people in cars, on bikes, on foot or anything really have towards traffic rules they deem safe to break. It's not right, but everyone does it. Are you suggesting the average citizen should put themselves in danger by confronting all of these run of the mill, everyday occurrences?



What did the pedestrian do the the cyclist that runs over a crossing on a red? Or the motorist who drove at 35 in a 30? People are confronted by lapses in road discipline every day - again, should they be putting themselves in danger and verbally abusing the culprit, potentially escalating minor, every day incidents into full on conflict?



No, its really not. See my first point re. your ott interpretation of the event in order to push your agenda.

Seriously, grow up and look at the incident and the suitability of its response through a real world perspective

grow up? people are being killed on the roads. The apathy is from those like yourself who cant see the thin end of the wedge.
Many drivers see close passes(AKA punishment passes) and the likes as minor.
The reality is they are life threatening

sinbad182

You also have the benefit of having a completely blinkered view on the subject custardy

custardy

sinbad182 wrote: »

You also have the benefit of having a completely blinkered view on the subject custardy

What's your foundation for opinion?
Experience in cycling?
I have 20+ years in both
All I hear is the same old same old from someone with no concept of the reality of cycling on todays roads.