Boyfriend bought me a ring but won't let me have it

notanewuser

Oh dearly me. SO many incorrect assumptions.

jaylee3 wrote: »

They crow about how people who follow 'tradition' are like 'sheep,' and they are sooooo individual because they 'don't conform' and they scoff and sneer at people who do follow traditional things... Whilst refusing to acknowledge that depriving their children of Christmas/Santa/Easter eggs/traditional celebration is possibly making the children quite unhappy as they see all the kids around them at school celebrating and being given things.

My daughter is deprived of NOTHING. As she's 3, she's not at school. We make a big deal of her birthday, which being in October means she's often still opening things in December.

jaylee3 wrote: »

And no, the 3 year old is not free to do what she wants, when the parent has this haughty 'we don't do Easter, we don't do Christmas, we don't do birthday cake etc' attitude.

:rotfl: My daughter gets 2 or 3 huge homemade birthday cakes a year. She gets chocolate - just not egg-shaped. And not because of something we don't believe in.

jaylee3 wrote: »

These kind of people claim they are secular and not part of any religion or movement, yet the very nature of what they're doing is inadvertently creating a religion of their own.

It's called atheism.

jaylee3 wrote: »

And despite all the slating of people who like conventional traditional things; God forbid you challenge them: you're aggressive and vile and need to crawl back under your stone.

Dear me.

Unfortunately, some people just prove the old adage about assumptions.

notanewuser

jaylee3 wrote: »

Must admit, I have never met anyone in real life, who does not celebrate Christmas, unless they are Jehovahs/Muslim, or some other religion other than Christian/Catholic.

Even people who are atheist celebrate Christmas: not necessarily in a massively big fashion with spending 1000s of pounds, sometimes just quietly and cheaply with close friends and family, but they DO do Christmas, and they certainly don't deprive their children of it.

But I have never ever met anyone who snubs Christmas and Easter etc, not in real life. I have only ever seen people on the internet that 'claim' they 'don't do Christmas,' and their children (if they have any,) don't appear to have any choice in the matter, as they have to follow what the parents do, and are told, as soon as they can walk and talk that SANTA and the Easter bunny do NOT EXIST!)

I have NEVER and will NEVER tell DD that something doesn't exist. See what I mean about assumptions? If she comes home and asks about Santa, the response will be along the lines of "some people believe that. What do you believe?" This giving her the right to choose her own beliefs. Is it so hard for your solo brain cell to comprehend that choosing to not actively encourage belief in something is not the same as stating outright that something doesn't exist?

jaylee3 wrote: »

Actually, I know a few people who practice other religions, who still 'allow' their children to partake in Christmas at school. Presumably, they don't want their children to feel like freaks and misfits, not being allowed to be part of Christmas and Easter because their parents 'don't do' these celebrations.)

I'm vegetarian. I'm atheist. Do you think I should eat turkey on December 25th to make everyone else comfortable?!

I'm teaching my daughter tolerance of everybody's views and beliefs and letting her choose her own. I've read nothing in your rant that makes me want to do a single thing differently.

jaylee3 wrote: »

I do often wonder however, how many who claim this are actually telling the truth? Because as I said, I have never met anyone in real life like this, unless they practice another religion. (And as I mentioned earlier, even people who celebrate other religions still let their kids get involved with Christmas and Easter at school.)

I know several people. They all have well-adjusted and intelligent children capable of tolerance. You should probably seek some out.

paulineb_2

I've seen some really daft comments in a similar vein on another thread on here. What gives people the right to make judgements about whether a child gets an Easter egg or not? She's not being locked in the coal cellar, she's not getting an egg because the family don't celebrate Easter.

What about people who never go to church but consider themselves religious? Are they supposed to celebrate Easter and Christmas.

Apparently on another thread some of us were royal hating, non Christian, valentines day haters who of course had to be sitting mocking peaches geldofs death. Because if you tick one box on the non conformist list, you have to tick them all.

I think some people have over active imaginations and should just let other people be.

Kids can have chocolate any day of the year, no one ever died from not getting an Easter egg.

Georgiegirl256

jaylee3 wrote: »

I do often wonder however, how many who claim this are actually telling the truth? Because as I said, I have never met anyone in real life like this, unless they practice another religion. (And as I mentioned earlier, even people who celebrate other religions still let their kids get involved with Christmas and Easter at school.)

Ooooo! Are these mythical people like Santa and the Easter Bunny then? I've never met them, but I just know that they are real!

It always makes me wonder why some people have an inability to accept that other people may have views that differ from their own?

ETA: I thought the whole Santa debate had long been put to bed....until someone decided to drag it up all over again....

paulineb_2

I thought the wait a couple of years for him to propose and he's maybe waiting to ask your dad's permission was the most bonkers post on the thread.

Apparently not.

Georgiegirl256

paulineb wrote: »

no one ever died from not getting an Easter egg.

Tell my husband that! :rotfl:

paulineb_2

I know people who don't celebrate Christmas, not Jehovah's witnesses, but very religious. I'd hazard a guess that everyone who belonged to that religious group didn't celebrate Christmas either. A girl I know, her family didn't celebrate Christmas at all growing up, wasn't part of their religion, which I believe was very strict.

Seventh day Adventists. They don't celebrate Easter or Christmas but are Christians and there's over 18 million of them worldwide.

PenguinJim

Lance wrote: »

As for Easter what a terrible thing it would be to buy your daughter a chocolate egg!!!!! I think you will find most kids eating Easter eggs do not go to church they just like the thrill of waking up to chocolate eggs.

Surely no MSEs have chocolate eggs on Easter, and I'm shocked and even a little bit offended that you would even suggest such a thing on this forum.


Everyone here has them a day later when they're at least half-off, don't they?

paulineb_2

The argument is that it's ok for someone to be Christian and not go to church and it's fine to celebrate Easter and Christmas but if you don't believe in god somehow you are awful because you don't buy your child an egg to celebrate a Christian event.

I'm not sure I see the logic in that. If it's ok for Christians who don't celebrate Christmas and Easter to do so, why is it not ok for someone who doesn't believe in god not to celebrate it.

Because a kid might feel left out getting a chocolate bar or a box of chocs rather than an egg shaped bit of chocolate?

They'll grow up scarred because their chocolate wasn't egg shaped? Maybe it's time to call social services.

paulineb_2

Sorry. Forgot it was traditional. And obviously no matter what your personal beliefs are, you don't mess with tradition.