Universities and the myths

tr3mor

studentphil wrote: »

That does not follow.

I do not resent you and I don't want to be like you.

It is interesting though that everyone who has a go at me has a lot successful things in their lives. I just wonder if they had such a rubbish life as me if they would be so judgemental.

But in your eyes the whole world has a better life than you.

I screwed up the first year of university once. Following that I took a gap year out. During that year my Dad passed away. Because of this I told myself to stop messing around and get on with doing the best I could do.

I didn't expect sympathy or special considerations because I had some troubles in my life. I knew that if I wanted to get the marks I had to knuckle down and get on with it.

Now I'm proud to say I've worked hard and got the marks I got.

So you've had a stroke of bad luck in your life. It's not an excuse for everything else that happens. You just have to take the rough with the smooth and work at it.

To quote Arnold Palmer (a golfer):
“It's a funny thing, the more I practice the luckier I get”

Sharifa_2

studentphil wrote: »

It is interesting though that everyone who has a go at me has a lot successful things in their lives. I just wonder if they had such a rubbish life as me if they would be so judgemental.

I come from a different generation to you and your self-pity disgusts me. I lost my husband and the only pregnancy I had, I've suffered depression all my adult life, I had to give up my job to nurse my mother, but I don't moan about it - I get on with it and make the best of it. There are people who've had it far worse than me. You are symptomatic of all the immature wasters who think life should be handed to them on a plate. Try living in the real world instead of in your head. Carry on as you are and your life will amount to absolutely nothing. You start these threads just to argue with people and be aggressive; you don't want advice, you want attention like a spoiled child.

studentphil

Need_More_Money wrote: »

Can I just check that I've got this right? It's ok for you to use A-level grades to decide who is most intelligent, but it's not ok for universities/employers to use degree classes for the same purpose?

I don't know, maybe grades are a mark of intelligence and maybe they are not. I was just using the poster's logic on grades being a measure of intelligence for the sake of argument.

Blacksheep1979

studentphil wrote: »

That does not follow.

I do not resent you and I don't want to be like you.

It is interesting though that everyone who has a go at me has a lot successful things in their lives. I just wonder if they had such a rubbish life as me if they would be so judgemental.

Well there have been a couple of posters who have either got a lesser degree result than they would have wished for and one with a dissability who have both told you to get over yourself and sop making excuses.

Again you seem to be failing to read and take in the information - kinda points towards why your results aren't as wished for.

Everyone has problems, its how you deal with these problems that will make people appreciate you - not how you use them as excuses. Look at Ray Mears, he attended one of his courses (has instructors that run them for him) to say hi to the people on the course the same week as his wife died. Or Stephen Hawking - Wheelchair bound yet still gives lectures even though it takes him hours and hours to prepare them.

studentphil

Sharifa wrote: »

I come from a different generation to you and your self-pity disgusts me. I lost my husband and the only pregnancy I had, I've suffered depression all my adult life, I had to give up my job to nurse my mother, but I don't moan about it - I get on with it and make the best of it. There are people who've had it far worse than me. You are symptomatic of all the immature wasters who think life should be handed to them on a plate. Try living in the real world instead of in your head. Carry on as you are and your life will amount to absolutely nothing. You start these threads just to argue with people and be aggressive; you don't want advice, you want attention like a spoiled child.

I will tell you how I lived in the real world. Nearly died a few times when I was younger, suffered pain and difficulty all my life, I was bullied almost everyday at school and I have never given up. So tell me that is not living in the real world?

Idiophreak

studentphil wrote: »

Sadly our world now judges you a drunk, stupid, a waster if you don't have a first and it seems unable to see past that slander to the real nature of people's lives.

Whoever says this anyway?

Granted, I don't talk to people very much (;)), but I've never come across it. Even if I did, I wouldn't see it as much of a problem. I have good reasons (ie not excuses) for why I didn't get a better grade in my BSc and am quite happy to share them with anyone that asks...

The only time I can see this is a problem is if you're applying for a job that explicitly specifies a certain grade, in which case you can always talk to the HR dept and explain your problems...they're more understanding than you'd think and might consider your application anyway.

Just doesn't seem worth worrying about.

Blacksheep1979

studentphil wrote: »

I don't know, maybe grades are a mark of intelligence and maybe they are not. I was just using the poster's logic on grades being a measure of intelligence for the sake of argument.

no you weren't using my logic - you were taking one part of it and not using the full statement (are we seeing a pattern here?).

If you don't agree that results/grades are a measure of inteligence how do you deem yourself cleverer than the other students?

nearlyrich

studentphil wrote: »

It is interesting though that everyone who has a go at me has a lot successful things in their lives. I just wonder if they had such a rubbish life as me if they would be so judgemental.

If you mean me I have had some very tough things to deal with in my life but I haven't let them beat me, I don't want to judge you I am just trying to spur you on to live a little. It's easy to sit and cry about how unfair the world is but only YOU can make your life what you want it to be, nobody except you is responsible for your happiness, not your parents, your uni or your friends. Trust me I have a son your age and in spite of having no degree at all I have a career and a decent life due to hard work and setting goals and aspirations for myself.;)

studentphil

Blacksheep1979 wrote: »

no you weren't using my logic - you were taking one part of it and not using the full statement (are we seeing a pattern here?).

If you don't agree that results/grades are a measure of inteligence how do you deem yourself cleverer than the other students?

I think that was one key element of your statement, so I think I was entitled to use it as it was. I don't know if grades are a measure of intelligence but if they are then people a lot less able than me get degrees.

Sharifa_2

studentphil wrote: »

I will tell you how I lived in the real world. Nearly died a few times when I was younger, suffered pain and difficulty all my life, I was bullied almost everyday at school and I have never given up. So tell me that is not living in the real world?

Bullying? Try being mixed-race growing up in the 1950s. You moan constantly. You live with your parents. You've never had to grow up, and as an alleged grown man you have no more maturity than a 14 year old. You don't understand that you alone are responsible for your life and while you wallow in self-pity, everyone else is just getting on with theirs. You are right that you are being left behind, and you choose to have it that way because it's easier to start daily threads on here than get out in the real world. No-one is going to rescue you and make it all better.

I'm wasting my time here. Now I understand why you get the reactions you do.