Self ticketing

Hovite_2

ankspon wrote: »

We have not been told the name of the company,can you give me more info please.

I'm not sure what info you need - all PPC's are in the game for profit not for the good of the people they "manage" the car park for.

So for example, I'm currently appealing via POPLA two so called tickets for having the audacity to park a courtsey car in a residents spot. A spot that the lease says is for the leaseholder to use. No mention of permits required.

Any managed property walks a dangerous path by employing a PPC and permit system when the lease provides permission to use the parking spots without a permit. The lease will always trump some made up rules by the PPC.

So here's a question for you, are you, and all the other residents, prepared to pay to have your leases altered to allow for the enforcement of permits. Remember this will cost you each at least £200 in solicitors fees ? If the answer is no then the permits become unenforceable and a complete waste of time.

ankspon

Thanks Hovite for that info,we have not been told any of this.

Hovite_2

ankspon wrote: »

Thanks Hovite for that info,we have not been told any of this.

They don't tell you that because they know they wouldn't get employed by you if they did !!!!!

Chunkee

Although the signs you put up will stop some unwanted people parking there, those in the know will just ignore the parking tickets issued to them and any empty threats of follow up fines. I would go for the keypad code option. (if they don't know the code they cant get in, simple)

Hovite_2

ankspon wrote: »

Thanks Hovite for that info,we have not been told any of this.

I should add that the £200 would be the charge from your solicitor - the freeholder could charge you thousands each to change the lease.

Guys_Dad

The point that residents need to take into account is one of economics.

The PPCs make their money from tickets, not the cost for the signs and the hand-out ticket templates.

Now, ask yourselves honestly, unless you attach your permit permanently to the windscreen, are you likely to forget it?

And then new permits are issued every year, no? So, the management company issue yours when you are on holiday with your car parked with the old ticket attached.

You get a new tenant, The old one left with the permit. New tenant gets ticketed. Great start to mandlord/tenant relationship.

Mum comes to visit. You are not in. Mum goes to the shop to get flowers and is away for 30 minutes. Ticket appears.

It's like taking sleeping pills because you have a problem sleeping. After a while, you have a problem with addiction to the pills.

The_Deep

Thanks all, much useful advice.

I will try to steer the Directors away from the cowboys, but I suspect that idiocy will prevail.

ankspon

Hovite wrote: »

I should add that the £200 would be the charge from your solicitor - the freeholder could charge you thousands each to change the lease.

The management co are the freeholders and solicitors,we have been told it is UKCPS who are doing it.

Coupon-mad

ankspon wrote: »

The management co are the freeholders and solicitors,we have been told it is UKCPS who are doing it.

OMG that is bad. Prepare to regret it. They also sometimes sue people who ignore their PCNs and they read this forum - and are not a nice set up (& are based behind a Leeds pub). Which you can see if you can find a youtube clip of their appearance on TV's 'the Sheriffs are Coming' from earlier this year where a bailiff had to visit them to get justice for an ex-employee who had sued them. You can see the pub!

Oh dear, your visitors and delivery drivers and residents are going to be targeted now.

Permit gets renewed and you omit to change it from (SAY) the red one to the orange one each year = PCN.

You are on holiday when you are supposed to change to a new permit = PCN.

Delivery driver arrives, parks on a verge or other area & goes to ring a bell = PCN.

Permit slips down off the dash = PCN.

Visitor parks a bit out of bay on a crack in the pavement = PCN.

One day you want to have two visitors round so have to move the cars around and one off site...not quick enough? = PCN

Has the day got a y in it? = PCN!!

And of course most people don't know that these fake PCNs are not real parking tickets and that they are beatable. Not only that, when people appeal, very often they do not get sent a POPLA code straight away by UKCPS and people won't realise the importance of demanding it.

The flat owners/renters have jumped out of the frying pan into a very nasty fire and it is just plain STUPID.

Why would anyone agree to that?

YOU NEED TO GO TO THE NEXT RESIDENTS' MEETING AND FLAG UP WHAT YOU FIND OUT WHEN YOU GOOGLE 'UKCPS fake PCN' OR MAYBE TRY 'UKCPS SHERIFFS' BUT ONLY READ FORUM RESULTS FROM THE LAST 5 OR 6 MONTHS (NOT OLD ARCHIVE STUFF FROM 2012 WHERE PEOPLE COULD IGNORE THESE AND WHEN THE DRIVER USED TO BE THE ONLY PERSON WHO COULD BE SUED. IT HAS CHANGED).

Hovite_2

ankspon wrote: »

The management co are the freeholders and solicitors,we have been told it is UKCPS who are doing it.

You're trouble then - I suggest you persuade enough leaseholders to reject the idea.

Are you suggesting that the properties are "a share of the freehold" ? If so any property owner holding a share of the freehold can "opt out" of the scheme. I struggle to believe the freeholders are also solicitors - that sounds like someone lying to me ( I'm not accusing you ).