Self ticketing

The_Deep

Despite a push button controlled barrier we are having increasing problems with rogue parking in a block of flats in which I have an investment property. Spaces are numbered and no occupier has more than one allocated space, although many have more that one car.

Visitors spaces are never available, people park in other peoples' spaces, the disabled spaces and on verges, blocking access to emergency vehicles.

Mindful of R.L Davey v UKPC, the Residents' Association do not wish to harass members and their tenants, we are mindful of our tenants' quiet enjoyment rights, but we can no longer allow this situation to continue. We have two visitors spaces. Each was occupied for three days last week by the same car. I wished to visit my tenant and had to park in the street

I have just spoken to a company which operates a self ticketing scheme. It works thusly. The company send a pack of signs to the management company who erect them. Any car parking improperly is photographed by the Management Company or any member of the Residents Association, and the photograph is then emailed to the parking company who then issue a pcn.
As the company will only issue PCNs at our request, I cannot see any reasons why we should lose POPLA appeals.

I should be grateful for comments.

The_Slithy_Tove

The_Deep wrote: »

As the company will only issue PCNs at our request, I cannot see any reasons why we should lose POPLA appeals.

I should be grateful for comments.

DON'T DO IT!

Although you do have a problem, it seems, the only people who will get the grief from a scheme like this are the legitimate residents themselves, be sure of it. And POPLA is inconsistent and cannot be relied on.

Paperbird

You might not want to harass members or tenants but the low lives running the parking company will not care and a search on here will show you that they are happy to harass people who were parked in their own marked space if they think they can make money from it.
As for not losing a POPLA appeal, if the drivers of the two cars in the visitors parking were visiting tenants why do you think you would win.
To be honest if there are only two spaces for visitors I would think myself very lucky if I arrived as a visitor and found one free.

The_Deep

As for not losing a POPLA appeal, if the drivers of the two cars in the visitors parking were visiting tenants why do you think you would win.

If they were genuinely visiting tenants then they would win a Popla appeal.. However, I suspect that they are tenants with more than one car. One car has been parking in a visitors' space for months.

martmonk

The_Deep wrote: »

If they were genuinely visiting tenants then they would win a Popla appeal..

If that was the basis for the appeal then they wouldn't - you need to read more on this forum about how these companies operate and what POPLA will make judgement on. Mitigating circumstances such as I was visiting Flat XX will fail.

martmonk

you have a push button barrier - have you investigated what the cost might be to replace the button with a keypad? A simple 4 digit code sounds like it would solve the problem.

DCodd

Are you sure you have the authority to employ a PPC? Even with the right to manage I thought the Freeholder was still the Landlord? Or are these Freehold flats?

Hovite_2

The_Deep wrote: »

As for not losing a POPLA appeal, if the drivers of the two cars in the visitors parking were visiting tenants why do you think you would win.

If they were genuinely visiting tenants then they would win a Popla appeal.. However, I suspect that they are tenants with more than one car. One car has been parking in a visitors' space for months.

So what monetary value will you / the landowner have lost if someone unauthorised parks in a space ? Remember it must be a genuine pre-estimate of loss and not include costs of signs etc.

I'd suggest you're unlikely to justify anything more than a tenner - can't see a PPC agreeing to "tickets" only asking for a tenner, self ticketing or not.

The_Deep

We have a keypad, it has ten buttons, your enter a four figure code, and I can assure you that and it has not solved our problems.

Mart Monk, you misunderstand, genuine visitors would not be ticketed. There can be few mitigating circumstances when a tenant with two cars parks one of them in a visitors' space.

Oh and BTW, I am very well on these fora, I have successfully seen of two pcns from UKCPS and Town and City. I do know how the system works.

martmonk

Then you should also know what does and doesn't win at the POPLA stage.

It seems you have an issue with the way that the exisiting residents and potentially their visitors park - I doubt that is going to be solved by issuing fake PCN's to them.

Let's say my sister lives in one of the flats - I arrive and am lucky enough to get a visitor parking spot. I stay for three days. You arrive and discover the same car has been in place for 3 days in a visitor bay, you take a pic and get a pcn issued.

How does that solve the problem? I'm a genuine visitor but you think I'm not.

Whilst I sympathise with the problems being faced my personal opinion is that fake pcn's wouldn't be the way to go, that said I don't the silver bullet that would be. I assume you have tried to convene meetings with all of the residents in order to mutually agree that everyone is more considerate.

peter_the_piper

Knowing the ppc's genuine visitors WILL be ticketed. They will not take any notice of numbers given to them. Vistor and owners permits will mysteriously fall onto the car floor. Parking touching the line will be a ticket. If the day ends in a Y it will be ticketed.
They are not in it to help you they are only in it to make money, if the park does not make enough they will ensure it does.
As for popla, a few appeals down the line and the PPC will become ever more desparate, they will even stop sending the management company a Christmas card.