Self ticketing

peter_the_piper

Lets see, scenario.
issue ticket, driver appeals, appeal refused and popla issued. Appeal succeeds
Money. Ticket bounty £10.00, Popla fee £32.00 net loss to residents £22.00
I wonder how much ppc will charge for each successful appeal.

Whatever you do make sure that you get it all in writing and not just accept the ppc's contract, it will be skewed in their favour. Check what all the charges are, check you don't get charged for a successful popla appeal etc.

Half_way

If you employ someone to act on your behalf, you are the agent, and they are your principal, this means that you as agent would be liable for the actions of a PPC that you employ on that land.

Read here, about how a case of trespass was bought against a PPC, whoever it was that employed that PPC woulld/could also be held liable for the actions of their agent.
http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?377246-UKPC-liable-for-trespass-**SUCCESS**

nigelbb

Half_way wrote: »

If you employ someone to act on your behalf, you are the agent, and they are your principal, this means that you as agent would be liable for the actions of a PPC that you employ on that land.

You have that ar5e about face. It's the principal who engages the agent to act on their behalf.

Hovite_2

nigelbb wrote: »

You have that ar5e about face. It's the principal who engages the agent to act on their behalf.

I re-read the previous post half a dozen times thinking my understanding had always been wrong. Thank you for proving I was going insane !

The_Deep

From what you are saying, it seems that the best solution is to let the riff raff park where they please and let the landlords appoint a cowboy.

It will not affect me as I will win at Popla, but it irks that I have to display a ticket to park on my own land.

Yes, I am aware that I can issue a cease and desist order and threaten the landlords with "quiet enjoyment", but why should I have to jump through such hoops.

peter_the_piper

""It will not affect me as I will win at Popla, but it irks that I have to display a ticket to park on my own land.""


This sounds just like Parking Eye, so far anyone (since Easter) who has asked for help has won at Popla, so do not be so confident.
Anyway, best of luck. Please come back and let us know how you get on.

Guys_Dad

Seems to me that you don't know if the vehicle is a visitor, occupier or rogue. So why not find out first?

Note on car to ask them to let you know. Obviously there must be some committee in place to be contemplating self ticketing.

peter_the_piper

Just noticed this line
""it seems that the best solution is to let the riff raff park where they please and let the landlords appoint a cowboy. ""
I get the impression they have the wrong type of car,
Sorry. Not posting again.

Welsh_Exile

Guys_Dad wrote: »

Seems to me that you don't know if the vehicle is a visitor, occupier or rogue. So why not find out first?
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Exactly -

The Deep, you have identified that there's a problem but you have yet to define it and you've jumped straight to finding a solution.
You need to collect more facts - who is taking up the space for so long? how many vehicles per flat? how often are there visitors with cars? etc etc. That process will also, naturally, involve all the residents and prime them for the next stage which is discussing possible solutions. All interested parties will need to be involved, including the freeholder and the management company.

Please read carefully what martmonk and spacey2012 are saying above about the dangers and pitfalls of involving a PPC - and remember that PPCs are not about managing car parks, they are about milking drivers and RKs for money.

Coupon-mad

'riff-raff' LOL! Haven't heard that word in a while and your don't even know whose car it was that was there for 2 days...maybe a visitor who was taken ill or staying overnight as a one-off? A visitor bay is for visitors after all.

I cannot see any reasons why we should lose POPLA appeals.

Go on then, if you are planning to try 'I have a permit/am a resident' you'd lose. And if it's CPS then 'no GPEOL' might lose too as their signage is different...

If you want to associate with riff-raff you are phoning the right people when considering PPCs.