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zaffi wrote: »

absolute nonsense mate,


the way you use the word "believe" is not the same as "belief" they are very very different and you know it.

If I believe in an experiment I will carry it out and if the outcome is what i "believed" would happen happy days indeed I was correct. If not I publish the data anyway because in scientific terms disproving a hypothesis is just as valid as proving it.

If I had belief, and by belief we both know we mean blind belief (or faith if you will) there would be no need for an experiment as I would not need proof.....

Also if paranormal phenomena has been proved why has James Randi's $1000000 never been claimed?

Now you're trying to tell ME what I believe, brilliant :rotfl:

Thesaurus

Belief: Confidence, Trust, Certainty, Credence, Acceptance
Believe: Trust, be certain of, have confidence, accept as true.

Because you do not believe what I am saying does not mean that it is not true! You have your reality and I have mine, neither has importance over the other.

AMD

silkyuk9

tinkerbell28 wrote: »

You don't know what cold reading is. They don't have to be wired up, or research, they were around you for 3-4 hours. That's enough time to read someone and glean information.

Yes I can tell you that, because I've WATCHED cold reading first hand, then seen the person explain how they did it.

There is really no point in this discussion, as I respect the fact people feel the need to believe. What I can't respect is people asking for answers under the falsehood of being a sceptic. Then out right refuse to even attempt to understand what they have been told, repeatedly asking for explanations of the "impossible" when they've been told 100's of times.

That's just verging on ignorance IMO rather than a desperate need to believe.

So tell me how they read my mind regarding a subject that had not been discussed or even thought of by myself. Yes people can make judgements from watching others, thats how we make instant decisions about people and our feelings.

But from a subject that had never been discussed, and I had never even told my wife about the pop bottle incident and ive been married to her even before my brother died. It was not something I had ever thought useful to discuss with her, it was a little part of the history of my life something so little and incidental. I thought about that at a moments thought, it popped into my head and I said it, do never ever did i ever say to my Ouija friends anything about cashing in pop bottles or even fishing boats or even my brothers death which again I keep to myself as its a personal issue and still a little painful, so I never meet someone and tell them after a few hours that I have a brother whom committed suicide.

I had this thought in my head and asked the question, its as simple as that. Who the hell would have thought empty pop bottles? There are lots of things that could have been said.

BTW I got reported for calling someone on here a wally, have to say the MOD who contacted me must have thought getting reported for calling a person a wally is a bit petty.

Jim_Jupiter

prowla wrote: »

In the OP: "I thought oh my god if someone could see all this we would be struck off!"

Because only teachers work at schools?

Jim_Jupiter

FLG wrote: »

This subject is simply an argument about belief vs nonbelieve. It’s been argued on the basis of scientific truths (perspectives) vsbeliefs, but even science requires a “Leap of Faith” (belief) to become accepted.Take electricity for example. The lay person cannot: see it, smell it, taste itor feel it. Our only awareness of it isthrough the scientific claimed effects of it and its our BELIEF that makes it areality. You cannot prove it to a disbeliever , you can only demonstratewhat is scientifically accepted (believed) to be the effects of it, such as light,shock, short circuit or needle movements etc, all of which require a circuit tobecome manifest.

Acceptance of evidence is not a matter of belief or faith.

tinkerbell28

silkyuk9 wrote: »

So tell me how they read my mind regarding a subject that had not been discussed or even thought of by myself. Yes people can make judgements from watching others, thats how we make instant decisions about people and our feelings.


SNIP SNIP

There is just no rational thought here.

You made post after post asking for "answers and explanations". You still are. So go off and RESEARCH. You won't though as you don't want answers, or possibilities. You want to believe your family came to see you.

You aren't a sceptic, you believe. Someone who finds their brothers death still painful is prime for this kind of stuff. You want to, need to believe he came through to you. So you won't even believe that it's possible someone could cold read obscure facts. You're a prime example of what sceptics see as a type of person who goes to these things and you don't see it.

People have given you lots of possible explanations, cold reading being one. Yet you fail to even research or understand what is being said to you, yet demand answers. Your post after post of failing to grasp the very concept of the shock value cold reading and how it is used can bring out proves that. You could go and look for yourself. Many cold readers do exactly what you describe. They mind read obscure facts, then some will explain how.

So really there is no more discussion, you can't discuss anything with someone who repeatedly asks for answers, then ignores what they're told maybe a possibility. Which is what you're doing.

So I'm sorry you still feel pain over your brother and I hope the Ouija session made you feel better. That's all that matters. But I'm going to have to ignore this thread now where you're concerned. As you just aren't listening to what people have said, yet demand answers. It's just outrageous. I understand people need support and beliefs. But this whole blind denial and belief for those that need it, is everything I hate about the occult/Ouija/mediums. It takes advantage of people in pain, who need to feel there is another side/peace and i think it's wrong.

So I will stop doing this :wall: :wall: :wall: and wish you well and hope you get the answer and explanation you are looking for and that the pain from your brothers death fades.

silkyuk9

tinkerbell28 wrote: »

There is just no rational thought here.

You made post after post asking for "answers and explanations". You still are. So go off and RESEARCH. You won't though as you don't want answers, or possibilities. You want to believe your family came to see you.

You aren't a sceptic, you believe. Someone who finds their brothers death still painful is prime for this kind of stuff. You want to, need to believe he came through to you. So you won't even believe that it's possible someone could cold read obscure facts. You're a prime example of what sceptics see as a type of person who goes to these things and you don't see it.

People have given you lots of possible explanations, cold reading being one. Yet you fail to even research or understand what is being said to you, yet demand answers. Your post after post of failing to grasp the very concept of the shock value cold reading and how it is used can bring out proves that. You could go and look for yourself. Many cold readers do exactly what you describe. They mind read obscure facts, then some will explain how.

So really there is no more discussion, you can't discuss anything with someone who repeatedly asks for answers, then ignores what they're told maybe a possibility. Which is what you're doing.

So I'm sorry you still feel pain over your brother and I hope the Ouija session made you feel better. That's all that matters. But I'm going to have to ignore this thread now where you're concerned. As you just aren't listening to what people have said, yet demand answers. It's just outrageous. I understand people need support and beliefs. But this whole blind denial and belief for those that need it, is everything I hate about the occult/Ouija/mediums. It takes advantage of people in pain, who need to feel there is another side/peace and i think it's wrong.

So I will stop doing this :wall: :wall: :wall: and wish you well and hope you get the answer and explanation you are looking for and that the pain from your brothers death fades.

regardless what you think of me im a realist and not a naive fool. I know what happened and I know how I went into the ouija and what i was looking for, I was not looking for answers from the dead. I played their game but was suprised with the outcome

Retrogamer

Given description, it is reasonable and rational to conclude it was the result of a cold reading.

Unless there is other evidence towards another explanation, it wouldn't be considered rational or reasonably to conclude it was the result of anything that hasn't been investigated and explained before.

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

I'm 40 and as a kid, we all used to collect pop bottles to make some money. Nicking anything else from a fishing boat (Cod? 50ft Nets? The anchor?) would have been highly unlikely and extremely risky.

And a question asked of 'Dad' - finger falls off near F, not consciously, but subconsciously, eyes perhaps flicker to the left/up to the 12 o'clock position where A is expected to be. What word begins with F and relates to somebody's Dad? Can anybody think of other song titles beginning with F? I can think of Freebird and Fire, both less likely on the context of a son asking something of his father. Eyes begin to widen slightly as A is chosen, more as T is picked, they're on the home straight.


It would be nice for there to be proof of there being some sort of alternative existence. It would be comforting for many people - although i would be wondering why Adolf Hitler or Rasputin never seemed to have anything to say.

But as it stands, there is nothing in your experience that cannot be explained - and replicated - by simple science and psychology. And plenty of people are good at those without formal study at Master's level and a multimillion pound laboratory.

monty-doggy

Wow. The op (troll??) got his penny's worth out of this thread!

madjay

Retrogamer wrote: »

Given description, it is reasonable and rational to conclude it was the result of a cold reading.

Unless there is other evidence towards another explanation, it wouldn't be considered rational or reasonably to conclude it was the result of anything that hasn't been investigated and explained before.

Not being there you have no evidance to conclude it was 100% cold reading like wise there is no evidance to conclude it was 100% Paranormal. Your conclusion is only base on third party information and what you have read on the subject. There is people who like to believe they have Paranormal power and are fake but these do not help anyone but themselves.. The are also people who have had real unexplained thing happen to them. It is not down you to tell them what they have not see or heard but to repect their opions. Would you tell a bishop there is no God and he has wasted his life.