Ouija boards

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bitemebankers wrote: »

Well said. But I wouldn't count on it. The lure of floaty-carpet nonsense like ouija boards seems to be overwhelmingly compelling for a certain type of mind.

Must remember that phrase! :T

Bazey

No sign of the O/P.

Seriously spooky shizzle. I might get in touch with Derek see if they made it to the other side...

AMILLIONDOLLARS

Angelicdevil wrote: »

Completely irrelevant but..... If God or Jesus made an appearance on a tv show or anywhere in the world then the entire scientific world would be watching and listening with bated breath.

But the fact is neither God nor Jesus have ever appeared, therefore the likelihood of them existing is pretty slim......given that they've had centuries to "re-appear" and they haven't.[/QUOTE]

Who says... even if they had stamped passports,appeared on all the major news programmes, you would think it was tricky. So give a criteria on what would make you believe. I suspected if he parted the Red Sea again, he's be accused of causing another major world disaster, rewriting the 10 Commandment maybe? As we are not really following the 1st edition seems pointless to update. Stop all the Wars around the world maybe, Why? he didn't start them we did, so how about we stop them ourselves so no great miracles to be had there. World hunger, again that problem can be easily solved if we looked to ourselves so yet again not another all singing all dancing miracle.

How about another crucifixion? Don't think the Human Rights lot will go for that!

Just one more miracle, maybe, God making it possible for us to speak with our loved ones once they have passed, doomed, its just been labelled "Cold Reading"

The Burning Bush!!!! a couple of Christmas Trees going up in smoke this year, should cause no problems as long as there are no Firemen on strike! But hey its the one day in the year we all celebrate them being around :rotfl:


I think he's all out of miracles.....:cool:

We can't trust in ourselves, so I'm not surprised we don't trust in anything else!

AMD

silkyuk9

tinkerbell28 wrote: »

Look most people who do Ouija boards like this are experienced cold readers.

Instead of being a psychic with a crystal ball, they use the ouija as a prop.

Have you actually watched any of the Derren Brown stuff? Or any cold reading to see how they can get the most random of facts correct? With no psychic ability at all.

As I said in an earlier post. I saw a psychic this year. They came out with a couple of phenomenal facts. I'm talking awfully personal, precise, to the date/number, nothing anyone could have know at all.

Spooked me a bit how easily I could be read, as I went in with an open mind and to be honest if I "believed" or actually had a relative I wanted to contact (I don't) then I would probably latch onto this amazing proof that someone was there on the other side and in communication.

It would be easy for me to ignore the 90% that was completely and utterly wrong however....as he did get some stuff 100% scarily accurate :eek:

But then I have seen cold reading in practise and it was no different, I understand the psychology on a basic level of how all this can work.

You say from your posts you're a sceptic, but it's very clear from your posts, you aren't. You truly believe your Dad came through and brought your brother with him. As you won't accept any explanation, or "rational" reason and now your posts are getting quite emotional. So I think it's best left, you believe they came through, that obviously gives you comfort (despite words to the contrary) so I wish you well. As no one will give you the answer you're looking for. You don't want people to say it is possible, it was not your Dad or Brother talking to you.

Tinkerbell I do not know what I beleive, but going back to the question I asked you, you know what the 'glass' said after 1 or 2 seconds? and again I was not holding it.

Empty pop bottles.

What are the chances you would know that from what I asked.

I understand what you are saying about tools etc. I fully agree with with you if I was in control of the prop, yes there is an illusion or something but come on, empty pop bottles, whats all that about?

tinkerbell28

silkyuk9 wrote: »

Tinkerbell I do not know what I beleive, but going back to the question I asked you, you know what the 'glass' said after 1 or 2 seconds? and again I was not holding it.

Empty pop bottles.

What are the chances you would know that from what I asked.

I understand what you are saying about tools etc. I fully agree with with you if I was in control of the prop, yes there is an illusion or something but come on, empty pop bottles, whats all that about?

I wouldn't know as you aren't in front of me. I don't cold read either. You really need to look into COLD READING. If you are serious about wanting a possible explanation. People read you, not the prop, the fact they were around for a few hours, makes me convinced you were cold read, sorry. The prop is just there for the "showman" it's theatrics.

I don't believe you are after reasons though, I think you're after more reassurance your Dad and Brother came through for you.

That's fine and it's understandable and personal.

You've been told so, so many times now that cold reading, especially if they're good at it can bring out some amazing, weird, random, 100% accurate facts. They couldn't possibly know. Cold readers always admit they have no "psychic" ability, but replicate, Ouija, seances, psychic readings. I think it's fascinating myself how they do it.

That could be a possible explanation for your situation, and you're not listening to anyone. Which I think is why it's best you just believe what you do. Cold reading could easily explain your situation but you don't even understand what it is, you haven't even looked into it clearly and it seems to me that actually, emotionally you are on the believe side. Which is fair enough as you're completely glossing over everything said to you.

This is another phenomena covered by studies if you look into it. People are on the whole receptive to an "Afterlife" wanting to move on, or are utterly desperate to know those who have "crossed over" are safe and still in existence.

So the power of the mind plays tricks. People are more open to being cold read, they give away clues and movements, they don't know they have. They also have selective memory/acknowledgement.

For example the seance/ouija/medium could be alarmingly accurate for a few random things, then all the negative/wrong/incorrect information, the mind glosses over. As deep down they want to believe.

I think this is you and you should believe what makes you feel happy.

zaffi

AMILLIONDOLLARS wrote: »

If they didn't believe there might be a change they would not bother with the experiment in the first place. They have an expectation as they can never be sure of the result, it might do this, it might do that but there will be a subconscious/conscious belief that something might/will happen.

AMD

That's what a hypothesis is...

You theorise that something might/could or should happen you then test the theory if you get the expected result you have PROVED (no belief required) your theory. If the evidence of the experiment or study does not support your hypothesis you adapt your POV based on the data.

That's the beauty of science, scientists do not dogmatically stick to a thought process in the face of peer reviewed data, they adapt and accept change.

So far there has never, ever, been PROOF of any paranormal phenomenon. There is however plenty of belief....

silkyuk9

tinkerbell28 wrote: »

I wouldn't know as you aren't in front of me. I don't cold read either. You really need to look into COLD READING. If you are serious about wanting a possible explanation. People read you, not the prop, the fact they were around for a few hours, makes me convinced you were cold read, sorry. The prop is just there for the "showman" it's theatrics.

I don't believe you are after reasons though, I think you're after more reassurance your Dad and Brother came through for you.

That's fine and it's understandable and personal.

You've been told so, so many times now that cold reading, especially if they're good at it can bring out some amazing, weird, random, 100% accurate facts. They couldn't possibly know. Cold readers always admit they have no "psychic" ability, but replicate, Ouija, seances, psychic readings. I think it's fascinating myself how they do it.

That could be a possible explanation for your situation, and you're not listening to anyone. Which I think is why it's best you just believe what you do. Cold reading could easily explain your situation but you don't even understand what it is, you haven't even looked into it clearly and it seems to me that actually, emotionally you are on the believe side. Which is fair enough as you're completely glossing over everything said to you.

This is another phenomena covered by studies if you look into it. People are on the whole receptive to an "Afterlife" wanting to move on, or are utterly desperate to know those who have "crossed over" are safe and still in existence.

So the power of the mind plays tricks. People are more open to being cold read, they give away clues and movements, they don't know they have. They also have selective memory/acknowledgement.

For example the seance/ouija/medium could be alarmingly accurate for a few random things, then all the negative/wrong/incorrect information, the mind glosses over. As deep down they want to believe.

I think this is you and you should believe what makes you feel happy.

We arent talking about professional Uoija board readers here, how the hell can someone cold read someone within 1 or 2 seconds of asking a question. I fully support you in these big stage clairvoyance seances, they have had time to research and wire up.But you cannot tell me someone can make a judgement and pick the correct answer after 1 or 2 seconds at a question that I randomly picked out of thin air at a moments thought.

AMILLIONDOLLARS

zaffi wrote: »

That's what a hypothesis is...

You theorise that something might/could or should happen you then test the theory if you get the expected result you have PROVED (no belief required) your theory. If the evidence of the experiment or study does not support your hypothesis you adapt your POV based on the data.

That's the beauty of science, scientists do not dogmatically stick to a thought process in the face of peer reviewed data, they adapt and accept change.

So far there has never, ever, been PROOF of any paranormal phenomenon. There is however plenty of belief....

They change and adapt because they believe that an experiment can be improved or discarded. They believe in what they are doing, they believe they are right, as do everyone else!

Scientists are not machines, thought processes will always be involved.

There has been PROOF but it has always been discarded because Scientists have not given the evidence their seal of approval!! Because it may not seem so, does not mean that it is not so.

Follow this thread in a Thesaurus

Hypothesis =Theory = Philosophy = Belief!


AMD

tinkerbell28

silkyuk9 wrote: »

We arent talking about professional Uoija board readers here, how the hell can someone cold read someone within 1 or 2 seconds of asking a question. I fully support you in these big stage clairvoyance seances, they have had time to research and wire up.But you cannot tell me someone can make a judgement and pick the correct answer after 1 or 2 seconds at a question that I randomly picked out of thin air at a moments thought.

You don't know what cold reading is. They don't have to be wired up, or research, they were around you for 3-4 hours. That's enough time to read someone and glean information.

Yes I can tell you that, because I've WATCHED cold reading first hand, then seen the person explain how they did it.

There is really no point in this discussion, as I respect the fact people feel the need to believe. What I can't respect is people asking for answers under the falsehood of being a sceptic. Then out right refuse to even attempt to understand what they have been told, repeatedly asking for explanations of the "impossible" when they've been told 100's of times.

That's just verging on ignorance IMO rather than a desperate need to believe.

zaffi

AMILLIONDOLLARS wrote: »

They change and adapt because they believe that an experiment can be improved or discarded. They believe in what they are doing, they believe they are right, as do everyone else!

There has been PROOF but it has always been discarded because Scientists have not given the evidence their seal of approval!! Because it may not seem so, does not mean that it is not so.

AMD

absolute nonsense mate,

the way you use the word "believe" is not the same as "belief" they are very very different and you know it.

If I believe in an experiment I will carry it out and if the outcome is what i "believed" would happen happy days indeed I was correct. If not I publish the data anyway because in scientific terms disproving a hypothesis is just as valid as proving it.

If I had belief, and by belief we both know we mean blind belief (or faith if you will) there would be no need for an experiment as I would not need proof.....

Also if paranormal phenomena has been proved why has James Randi's $1000000 never been claimed?