Family cut themselves out of my son's life

Yorkie1

Mojisola wrote: »

Wiggy has a legal advisor helping her. The letter should be referred to her and Wiggy should follow her advice.

GobbledyGook wrote: »

Do not respond Wiggy.

Speak to your legal lady, she will keep you on the right track. The is all part of the process your mother has to go through if she does want to try and get to court to get access to Wiglet. It's all a farcical attempt to play the "look we tried to be amicable" card.

Just always keep in mind even if she does get it that far judge will have ALL of the facts, not just your mother's skewed facts. Your mother's legal rep is exactly that - her rep working to her goals from her information. You need to ensure any contact with said rep is from your legal rep working to your goals from your information.

Corelli wrote: »

Ah Wiggy, just when you were starting to relax ... it will be OK.

Something to be born in mind when ever there is a dispute around a child is that NO-ONE has any 'rights' except the child. If this were ever to go any further legally Wiggy's mother would have to argue that it is in Wiglet's best interests to be in contact with his grandmother. This is what the lawyer's letter is about. Wiggy via her legal team would be arguing that it is not in Wiglet's best interests.

Wiggy's mother can apply for leave to go to court to request access to Wiglet. What Wiggy's legal advisor should be doing would be to point out to the grandmother's legal advisor that the case is not as straightforward as grandmother has presented it so grandmother can be advised that she is on very shaky ground. However, I would doubt it a good move to disclose all the background as it might be best reserved for a case, without grandmother and her lawyer knowing what would be coming up. Not saying that a court hearing would happen, but it is best to be prepared.

This is best left to Wiggy and her lawyer to sort out between themselves.

So Wiggy, try not to worry over the weekend and talk to your legal people on Monday X

+1 to all of the above. Try to enjoy the weekend - the letter asks you to respond at a date in the future, not tomorrow! You can't do anything until you contact the legal people with the update on Monday, and your mum isn't likely to do anything directly given that the letter has been sent by her solicitor.

barbiedoll

DaftyDuck wrote: »

I did further wonder (maybe just wishing...) that the final "this letter gives rise to important legal implications"... surely it can't be that the solicitors were made aware of the police interest in the matter... After all, the letter does indeed raise legal matters... for WigWitch... surely they can't have been dumping her in it, and pointing it out to you? I admit, wishful thinking....

If Wigwitch received something in writing from the rozzers, she may well take it to a solicitor for explanation yet, from what appears to be her ... complex personality, she'd ignore their advice to leave be, and insist they wrote... If she was rather volatile and insistent....

This is exactly what I was thinking, I've logged in just to reply to this!

It would be interesting to know if the letter was sent AFTER the police visit, after all, if you pay a lawyer enough, he will have a letter couriered round rather than just stick it in the postbox.

It is quite carefully worded, as these things tend to be. But reading between the lines, "important legal implications" could mean that there are important legal implications for Wiggy's mum; if she contacts her after being spoken to by the police, she (and the lawyers) know that there could be trouble for her. The letter is quite clear that Wiggy should contact them or that her legal advisor should do so. It appears to me that the lawyers know full well that Wiggy's mum has been told to stay away and as another poster commented, it is a letter designed to frighten and intimidate someone who does not necessarily have a full knowledge of the law and of their rights.

They probably know that they are barking up the wrong tree but cash is king and Wiggy's mum was probably incandescent with rage and indignation after a visit from the boys in blue, this is her way of dealing with it.

And don't worry about the "14 days to reply", that has absolutely no basis in law. They're just trying it on! :mad:

tiger_eyes

I think it's time for the immortal reply in Arkell vs Pressdram:

We note that Mr Arkell's attitude to damages will be governed by the nature of our reply and would therefore be grateful if you would inform us what his attitude to damages would be, were he to learn that the nature of our reply is as follows: f**k off.

meritaten

If you reply directly to your mothers' solicitor you may as well reply directly to her. as the solicitors are merely 'intermediaries' here. They have no legal standing and are rather arrogant in giving you 14 days to reply - as you don't HAVE to reply to them at all!
no contact means no contact! with her or anyone she selects to represent her.
just relax hun - this letter is meaningless! wont make a tad of difference!
but, it does need to be passed on to your legal representative and the police - she is STILL harassing you. for some reason she thinks that using the solicitor will 'protect' her from charges of harassment!
Stupid woman!
So proud of you again! you have seen this letter for what is and haven't felt intimidated!

GobbledyGook

theoretica wrote: »

I suspect that will be the way it goes - with perhaps 'please remind your client that grandparents have no rights and explain to her the possible repercussions to herself of further attempts to contact Wiggy, directly or indirectly, when she has already been warned about harassment'.

Grandparents have no rights. Parents have no rights either - the rights belong to the child.

Whilst it is uncommon grandparents who have had a strong relationship with their grandchild CAN apply to the court for permission to apply for access.

My MIL, by the fact that she seen my daughters almost daily, had them overnight frequently and who'd played a big part in their lives was allowed to apply to the court. Of course as soon as we got to court the fact that she'd threatened to abduct them completely wiped out pretty much everything and her bid failed.


The letter does raise legal implications. Wigwitch can apply to go to court. She does have evidence of a relationship with Wiglet. However whilst SHE will/is ignoring the reasons for the end of that relationship a court will not. Her legal advisor won't take Wiggy's word for it, and neither should they (just like Wiggy's shouldn't listen to Wigwitch) if there is an ultimate decision it should be made by the court - who will be impartial and only care about what is best for Wiglet.

Don't let it worry you Wiggy. Getting into that court and getting the 'no contact' confirmed by them was the best thing I've ever done. It's simply the best back up you can have.

bluebag

Yet another attempt to get through your boundaries and bend you to her will.

Keep strong, get good legal advice. Don't let her unbalance you and stay focused on you and your little chap.

You are doing well. Live and be happy.

Going4TheDream

wiggywoo9 wrote: »

It ends by saying 'this letter gives rise to important legal implications' we recommend you seek legal advice, arrange for them to contact us direct, we will continue to liase with you direct if not, please contact within 14 days.

Wiggy, I have read all your thread but have never posted however I feel compelled to now. With regard to the letter the solicitor cannot insist on anything and is acting only as an intermediary between your mother and yourself, working on your mothers behalf, perhaps in the hope that a letter may 'shock' you into complying with her request.

I am sure that they will have clearly explained to your mother that she has no legal rights within the law to demand access and that she can 'only apply for permission (leave) to apply for a Contact Order and the courts will consider the applicant’s connection with the child, the nature of the application for contact and whether the application might be potentially harmful to the child’s well-being in any way.

If the permission to apply is not granted then she cannot proceed, however the courts do believe that contact with grandparents can be beneficial, so it may well be given.

HOWEVER, this is only granting for permission to apply for Contact and does not mean that contact will be given. If one or both of the parents raise objections then a full hearing will have to take place and the onus will be on her to demonstrate/persuade the court that she has a meaningful and on-going relationship with Wiglet , which significantly benefits his life. The on ongoing relationship becomes less ongoing and meaningful the longer she doesn't see him for and therefore less significant.

You are now in contact with Wiglets dad again and hopefully both Wiglet and Wiglets dad will be benefiting from this, and he may feel that he objects to your mother having contact as this could affect his relationship with his son. So his wishes/reasons would need to be considered also, along with yours, and you have enough of those to make any rational judge consider facts very very carefully. After all the whole question will be about whether she has meaningful and on going relationship that significantly benefits his life. Her continual actions of trying to undermine Wiglets mother (you as sole carer), the harassment and you having to get police involvement will not necessarily paint her in a good light.

On top of it all this will cost your mother money, a lot of money, she will need ongoing good legal advice as the onus will be on her to prove her case (legal advice if she has to pay wont come cheap) and there are court fees to consider application for a contact order is approximately £215 alone.) She not only runs the risk of not being successful once all the facts about her behaviour are laid bare but the fact that her behaviour will actually be laid bare and held officially on record.

Wiggy, do speak with your legal person to make them aware of what has happened but remember at this stage you are under no obligation to do anything at all, nothing has changed except she is now getting desperate hoping that you will give in at the threat of receiving this letter.

PuzzledDave

"It ends by saying 'this letter gives rise to important legal implications' we recommend you seek legal advice, arrange for them to contact us direct, we will continue to liase with you direct if not, please contact within 14 days. "

Maybe this is an opportunity to make some money ?

Dear <solicitor>,

Greetings and salutations ! Thank you for contacting Wiggywoo Trading (child dispute service). We are most pleased that you have chosen our newly established organisation to assist in mediation of this most thorny of issues.

Before we can proceed however, please be advised this service is chargeable at a rate of £250 per hour. Should you send any further correspondence via telephone, textual message, letter or any other means including personal representation that refers in part or full of Wiglet you irrevocably confirm agreement to pay in full in cash (Stirling) delivered in person whilst dressed as a giant phallus within 14 days for each full or part of hour invested by me to respond to your enquiry(ies) on your receipt of invoice regardless of your satisfaction as to the quality and completeness of the response. Failure to pay under the conditions above, you hereby agree to pay an additional £250 per day of delay.

Kind Regards,
Wiggywoo


Then keep a copy and send it recorded delivery.

sharnad

stone7 wrote: »

It seems to me that, for all her faults, your mum is really missing your son.

Shame on those suggesting you cut your mother off completely... worst advice ever.

If she has to cut her mother off to keep her son from danger then so be it. The grandma doesnt appear to be at all stable

sharnad

dont reply to the letter yourself wiggy, its better to give it to your legale advisor and let her deal with it