P.I.P. timescales...

Derwent

rogerblack wrote: »

We can't tell.
Sometime between next month, and February.
I have not properly looked at the statistics.
I'd have liked to analyse the average duration of awards, and worked out how many are likely to be ending shortly, and compared that to the rate at which they're making decisions over and above the 'new claim' rate.

However, based on rough numbers, the 'late 2017' target is going to be challenging - they need to increase decision rate by about a third.

But it's quite probable you'll get called in before Feb 2017 - as at that time, even on fairly pessimistic assumptions well over half of people will have been migrated.

The speed of decisions seems to be improving massively. For my recent renewal the timeline was :-

Renewal pack received 19th May
ATOS assessment 3rd June
Decision letter received 20th June

First time around it took 28 weeks just get a decision.

rogerblack

Derwent wrote: »

The speed of decisions seems to be improving massively. For my recent renewal the timeline was :-

Renewal pack received 19th May
ATOS assessment 3rd June
Decision letter received 20th June

First time around it took 28 weeks just get a decision.

The number of decisions per month increased since the last reported numbers in April.
It was ~60000, with ~35000 new claims. This leaves around 25000 over per month.
If it increased from 60000, to 90000, this doubles the effective clearance rate of cases that are not new claims, and means the DLA caseload backlog can be migrated faster.

dori2o

rogerblack wrote: »

The 20 weeks only applies for DLA renewals. I am unsure what the lead-time for PIP is.
Sometime between 13th July and late October seems likely.
They have the power to send the form on the day the DLA award ends, and simply extend the DLA award till the PIP decision comes through. Though again, they have in some cases been sending out PIP renewals a year early.
If this will be exercised would depend on if there is a backlog I suspect.

That is not what the DWP online tool says in regards to when I would be asked to transfer to PIP. It states

Your DLA ends before September 2017

You’ll be told 20 weeks before your DLA ends and invited to claim PIP in most areas of England, Scotland and Wales.

Which to me suggests that I will be invited to claim PIP no earlier than 20 weeks before the end of my claim, i.e in keeping with the usual DAL reassessment timescale as my award ends before Sept 2017.

However, the tool then goes on to say

Your DLA ends after September 2017 or DLA awards with no end date

Some people will be invited to claim PIP from 13 July 2015 if you live in the following areas:

Blackburn (BB)
Bolton (BL)
Derby (DE)
Leicester (LE)
Manchester (M)
Oldham (OL)
Preston (PR)
Stoke (ST)
Warrington (WA)
Wigan (WN)
This includes if you have an indefinite or long-term awards of DLA.

You can be contacted anytime between 13 July 2015 and 30 September 2017. Not everyone in these postcode areas will be contacted to claim PIP right away.

To me the wording suggests I do not fit in this category even though I live within the OL postcode as my award ends BEFORE Sept 2017, and as such the earliest I should receive an invite would be 24 August 2015 which is 20 weeks before the end date of my DAL claim.


The wording on the DWP website is (deliberately IMO) misleading and worded as such in order to cause confusion and panic.

Can anyone tell me how long do you get to complete the form after you have been invited to transfer from DLA to PIP? With DLA you could return your form at anytime during the 20 week assessment period. It tool me 16 weeks at last renewal to complete my form as I needed to get the evidence together and also I get stressed and anxious with any forms like these so take my time to draft and re-draft before submitting. But Ive heard that people have been asked to return the forms within only 2 weeks with PIP.

Also what is the process. I understand with completely new PIP claims, not those who have crossed over from DAL, you have to call DWP and confirm that you meet the criteria before they will send a form. Is this the same for those transferred from DLA?

Any advice is appreciated. I havent been looking into this as I should have as each time I try it brings on a panic attack such is the stress it causes.

rich_shot2003

rogerblack wrote: »

We can't tell.
Sometime between next month, and February.
I have not properly looked at the statistics.
I'd have liked to analyse the average duration of awards, and worked out how many are likely to be ending shortly, and compared that to the rate at which they're making decisions over and above the 'new claim' rate.

However, based on rough numbers, the 'late 2017' target is going to be challenging - they need to increase decision rate by about a third.

But it's quite probable you'll get called in before Feb 2017 - as at that time, even on fairly pessimistic assumptions well over half of people will have been migrated.

Are you sure that is right as my claim does not run out till Feb 2017 and as we are in 2015 i find it hard to understand that they could ask me to claim PIP from Next month till Feb 2016 when i will still have a year left on my claim.

rogerblack

rich_shot2003 wrote: »

Are you sure that is right as my claim does not run out till Feb 2017 and as we are in 2015 i find it hard to understand that they could ask me to claim PIP from Next month till Feb 2016 when i will still have a year left on my claim.

As of 2010, out of a 2 million caseload on working age DLA, 600K were on definite, and 1400K on indefinite awards.
There are around 30 months till 'late 2017'.
This is 60K claims a month being processed, so 12 months before the end, so there would be 700K claims left.

The only way in which you would not be called was if there was a policy of taking people with indefinite awards first.
This seems unlikely.

To answer Dori2os points above.
I've been concentrating on what the law says, not what DWP practice is - hence my knowledge of the 20 weeks for PIP too was fuzzy.

The forms have one month only to be returned.
It is likely you can get an extension, but in practice, it's probably a good idea to download a copy and complete it at your leisure, or at least take extensive notes.

the_devil_made_me_do_it

Just a quick question. I have just completed my pip form and sent it off. My DLA isn't due to run out till the back end of September..

If my claim doesn't get processed until after then, will I still get the dla?

Also, if my pip claim is unsuccessful, will my dla be stopped even though it is due to run out in September?

rich_shot2003

rogerblack wrote: »

As of 2010, out of a 2 million caseload on working age DLA, 600K were on definite, and 1400K on indefinite awards.
There are around 30 months till 'late 2017'.
This is 60K claims a month being processed, so 12 months before the end, so there would be 700K claims left.

The only way in which you would not be called was if there was a policy of taking people with indefinite awards first.
This seems unlikely.

To answer Dori2os points above.
I've been concentrating on what the law says, not what DWP practice is - hence my knowledge of the 20 weeks for PIP too was fuzzy.

The forms have one month only to be returned.
It is likely you can get an extension, but in practice, it's probably a good idea to download a copy and complete it at your leisure, or at least take extensive notes.

im still confused as to when i will get mine.

rogerblack

rich_shot2003 wrote: »

im still confused as to when i will get mine.

There is no way to tell on published data.
Between next month and 20 weeks before the end of your award.
If you live outside the initial postcodes mentioned, then the starting date may be September perhaps - until the other areas have caught up. But there is no way to tell.

WillyWonga

the_devil_made_me_do_it wrote: »

Just a quick question. I have just completed my pip form and sent it off. My DLA isn't due to run out till the back end of September..

If my claim doesn't get processed until after then, will I still get the dla?

Also, if my pip claim is unsuccessful, will my dla be stopped even though it is due to run out in September?

Hi,

To give you some idea of my timescale. My son was getting DLA and turned 16 which led to his DLA award running out. Was sent a PIP form and was told by advisor because of the backlog his DLA will be automatically extended for another year. The PIP form was completed and sent with all the back up letters. Got a letter from ATOS Healthcare who deal with claims to say received and will be in touch if appointment needed for assessment. A week later got only 1 weeks DLA payment and then a letter to say claim accepted without assessment and DLA to stop and PIP to start. Took about 3-4 weeks in all. So seems even with an extended DLA they will stop it if PIP is rejected or downgraded. It did say in letter then if on high rate mobility DLA and then awarded low rate mobility then they will ask for the car back if you have one.

My wifes claim went in 2 weeks ago, got letter to say attend assessment in 2 weeks. Just got Blue Badge through.... lets see what happens.

Sunny_B

My mam had her ATOS assessment 2 weeks ago so I've just rang up the PIP on her behalf and they told me that her claim was with a decison maker so does anyone know how much longer i'll have to wait until money is in her bank or when she gets award letter?! Also, the other day I found a letter from Atos saying that her claim was referred to them a year ago today! (on 30th June 2014) so does this mean that she will get a year's worth of backdated money?

Thank you.

Michael