Audi dealer query

anotherbaldrick

TradePro wrote: »

You definitely have the bug, it's a difficult thing to shake off.

I have no doubts your Tiguan is better than a Mk5 Golf, so is my wheelybin, but you could have bought a better SUV, for less.

I could have bought for less but not better . I bought it for what it is and what it does admirably. (and I actually saw 60mpg come up on the trip average meter last Saturday)

TradePro

anotherbaldrick wrote: »

I could have bought for less but not better . I bought it for what it is and what it does admirably. (and I actually saw 60mpg come up on the trip average meter last Saturday)

Whilst the Tiguan does appear to be one of VAG's better models, you could have bought better still;

http://www.whatcar.com/NonCar/Kia/2951212940140.jpg

And whilst you're being smug about the MPG achievement, don't forget that a) the computer is probably wrong (because the electronics aren't great) b) remember to factor in the cost of oil burnt as the engine tolerances aren't great either and c) you could have saved much more by buying a less expensive but better car from another manufacturer

motorguy

TradePro wrote: »

Whilst the Tiguan does appear to be one of VAG's better models, you could have bought better still;

http://www.whatcar.com/NonCar/Kia/2951212940140.jpg

And whilst you're being smug about the MPG achievement, don't forget that a) the computer is probably wrong (because the electronics aren't great) b) remember to factor in the cost of oil burnt as the engine tolerances aren't great either and c) you could have saved much more by buying a less expensive but better car from another manufacturer

Not necessarily. To get a reasonable turn of speed from the Sportage you need the 2.0 CRDi. With 4WD and 134BHP its got a list price of £23,195 and broadspeed are offering it for £21126.

The 140BHP Tiguan 2.0TDI 4motion has a list price of £24425, but can be got from broadspeed for £19805.

So MORE BHP for LESS cash with the Tiguan?

BTW even my old 1999 Passat had an inaccuracy of just 2% with its trip computer compared to actual brim to brim so i'm sure VW have got it down to a fine art by now, and the cost of any oil usage over its life - if any - would be fairly negligable.

Besides, people drive what they want. If the guy wants to drive a Tiguan what odds? I'd hazard a guess and say he has enough brain cells to get the car he wanted not because of some in built conditioning that made him buy a VW.

motorguy

TradePro - your argument seems to be "i cant believe people blindly buy german cars", but your solution seems to be "blindly buy a japanese car instead"

Can you not see the irony there - what your accusing others of with german cars, you're doing yourself with jap cars.

vaio

TradePro wrote: »

We'll never know this for sure, but my suspicion is that's it's less likely that an 18 month old Porsche would be bought privately, and almost all of them would have dealer history.

I don't mean to be rude, but I firmly believe the car in the thread was an Audi.

TradePro wrote: »

Good news, I'm back to finish this thread off!

I have no doubts that Vaio generally does tell the truth, but nobody (myself included) could blame him for trying to 'cover up' on this one occasion. It's nothing to do with winning an internet argument, it's a matter of maintaining credibility.

He's been pretty active on the boards since my last comment, hasn't been back to protest further. In fact, we could say he's been 'uber quiet' Haha!

It was his Audi.

TradePro wrote: »

The only person I have accused of 'lying' is Vaio, and only in this one instance.

He's had to under the circumstances, and I don't hold it against him.........

I was doing the "dignified silence" bit but as it been mentioned again I'll respond.

I'd never pay £20k+ for an 18 month old car, I buy at 4 or 5 years old when some other poor sap has sucked up the depreciation hit.

My current car is the uber reliable S4 as discussed with you last month at the end of this thread https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/62398197#Comment_62398197

For any one that is interested the S4 has now done 220k miles and, apart from normal service items & consumables, hasn't missed a beat in the 7 years & 70k miles I've owned it. The dash display sometimes has a line or two of pixels missing, the rear wiper seized up and had to be dismantled and re-greased and I've fitted new brushes to the heater fan.

The one prior to that was a K reg V6 Audi 80 quattro, bought with 120k and kept 5 years till 190k. Again generally trouble free but did let me down once when it popped an o ring on the PS pump and leaked all the fluid out. Repair was 2p for the o ring and 15 mins to fit so only gets a mention because it stranded me and came home on the back of a lorry.

The one before that was a B reg 90 quattro bought at 4 years old and 60k miles and kept for 12 years till 215k miles. This was the least reliable, over the 12 years it needed a clutch, radiator, fuel pump, two alternators, a starter motor and a repair to the drivers seat frame.

Granted it's a small sample but, should you chose the believe me , my experience is that Audis are reliable and getting more so.

Going back to the Audi/Porsche issue.......frankly it is only the web and I've never felt the need to tell lies either for credibility or argument winning purposes. Believe me or believe me not, the world will carry on turning.

Just to add more grist to the mill, below is a link to a copy of the "bug ger off we don't care" letter my kid brother got from Porsche

TradePro

vaio wrote: »

Just to add more grist to the mill, below is a link to a copy of the "bug ger off we don't care" letter my kid brother got from Porsche

Wounded!

Vaio, my sincere apologies that I doubted you, and every credit to your fair and square 'win' with that scan - I shall now go and eat a big slice of humble pie

I do still stand by the majority of what I say in the thread, and there is of course the irony that we still have an expensive German car with premature failure, but I am firmly banged to rights that you were indeed discussing the Porsche and not your Audi - I'll have to try harder to catch you out next time

Sorry, TP.

TradePro

motorguy wrote: »

the cost of any oil usage over its life - if any - would be fairly negligable

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ENGINE-OIL-1-LITRE-Q8-FORMULA-V-LONG-LIFE-5W30-1L-VOLKSWAGEN-TIGUAN-/171065573208?pt=UK_Vehicle_Oils_Lubricants_Fluids&hash=item27d44d7f58

According to VW, it is normal to use 1l of oil every 1,000km (~625m).

So, if indeed you were achieving 60mpg, it would take 10.42g of fuel to cover 625m. At £1.40 per litre, this is £66.38.

Mix in £20.48 for a litre of oil (31% of fuel cost) and in real world costs you are probably achieving in the region of 40mpg from a 'normal' car.

TradePro

motorguy wrote: »

TradePro - your argument seems to be "i cant believe people blindly buy german cars", but your solution seems to be "blindly buy a japanese car instead"

Can you not see the irony there - what your accusing others of with german cars, you're doing yourself with jap cars.

Honest John (himself, not the paid mercenary that also writes for 'The Sun') clearly says that the Hyundai I30 and Kia Cee'd are both better than the Golf.

You didn't even consider those cars, you bought the badge, hope it works out for you.

anotherbaldrick

TradePro wrote: »

Whilst the Tiguan does appear to be one of VAG's better models, you could have bought better still;

And whilst you're being smug about the MPG achievement, don't forget that a) the computer is probably wrong (because the electronics aren't great) b) remember to factor in the cost of oil burnt as the engine tolerances aren't great either and c) you could have saved much more by buying a less expensive but better car from another manufacturer

It can't be far out for a one off journey. I offtimes do a tank full to near empty check and last month the clock was saying 600 miles to above the red line and it took 11.25 gall to fill the tank, that's 53.3 average for town and A road mixed motoring.
I have done K6 now from new and the oil is still 2/3 up the dipstick I have not had to add any at all , I bought a litre of the stuff but it is still in the boot unopened.

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neilmcl

TradePro wrote: »

Honest John (himself, not the paid mercenary that also writes for 'The Sun') clearly says that the Hyundai I30 and Kia Cee'd are both better than the Golf.

You didn't even consider those cars, you bought the badge, hope it works out for you.

When it comes to "buying the badge", I've been looking for a new car this year and have yet to find one that'll give me the combination of performance & economy that I can get from one of the German marques. Unlike yourself, I'm not a fan boy of any particular group of manufacturers or country of origin. Indeed I was seriously considering the highly successful Kia Sportage earlier in the year or the new Pro Ceed but in the end I had to rule them out because they don't yet have the engines to match VAG or BMW (I'm sure this will change in the years to come), not many manufacturer's can which is why the likes of VW & BMW are so successful.