Prayers

Fosterdog

Torry_Quine wrote: »

Wars are started by people from all faiths and none and that in itself doesn't make them right.


People have character flaws whatever the beliefs or not they hold. Being a believer doesn't make you perfect.

No being a believer does not make you perfect but it does make you a hypocrite if you go against what your religion teaches you by being a cruel, hateful and judgemental person.

It is very wrong to be spat at etc for your non-belief but how did they know?

They knew because they were threatening a gay friend over his sexuality, I defended him and they told me I should stop associating with such filth and go to church to beg for forgiveness for allowing his lifestyle. I said I would never step foot in a church if my life depended on it. That is when I was spat on and sworn at and three days later I was physically assaulted by one of the original gang and two others I had never seen before

Some religious leaders are !!!!!philes but that shouldn't condemn the rest. We don't condemn the whole of any other organisation in this way.

I do condemn the whole organisation because they allow it to go on, cover it up and even protect the guilty party. The catholic church actually has a hush fund that they use to pay off victims and their families in return for their silence. Please try to justify to me how that is in any way acceptable?

You certainly shouldn't be ashamed of being an atheist but neither should someone for being a Christian.

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supersaver2

Delree wrote: »

It boils my blood when people put medical successes, especially those against the odds, down to their prayers and god. Don't worry about the dedicated and highly skilled professionals who worked hard to save someone they didn't know. Don't worry about the decades of medical science that took place to get humanity to the point where it can defeat terrible diseases and disorders. No no no. It was prayer and god.

Yes I agree about medical successes being put down to god. My daughter was born last year at just past 24 weeks gestation and was incredibly poorly at birth as was my wife. Whilst my wife was in surgery I was sat next to my daughter whilst many wonderful doctors and nurses helped her live. For some reasonable a chaplain was called, I wasn't asked and I'm a confirmed atheist and he sat next to means told me that my daughter would be ok as god was looking after her! Except in my believe he bloody wasn't, the wonderful doctors and nurses who I can't ever thank enough were looking after her. The midwife who stayed with my wife throughout the night and the consultants and neo natal nurses who looked after my daughter for 17 week deserve all the credit, not some imaginary figure. Plus I always wondered if god does exist and controls everything that happens why has he chosen my daughter to go through such a difficult life, she's had many surgeries and will have life
long problems - why her?

notanewuser

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I do believe we are all equal though whatever our beliefs. People are always more important than animals. I certainly don't think I am more important than anyone else.

People are animals. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Torry_Quine

Originally Posted by Torry Quine
[Wars are started by people from all faiths and none and that in itself doesn't make them right.


People have character flaws whatever the beliefs or not they hold. Being a believer doesn't make you perfect.

No being a believer does not make you perfect but it does make you a hypocrite if you go against what your religion teaches you by being a cruel, hateful and judgemental person.

Totally agree but we are all human and so fail

It is very wrong to be spat at etc for your non-belief but how did they know?

They knew because they were threatening a gay friend over his sexuality, I defended him and they told me I should stop associating with such filth and go to church to beg for forgiveness for allowing his lifestyle. I said I would never step foot in a church if my life depended on it. That is when I was spat on and sworn at and three days later I was physically assaulted by one of the original gang and two others I had never seen before

That was very wrong but most Christians aren't like that. How did they know he was homosexual though?

Some religious leaders are !!!!!philes but that shouldn't condemn the rest. We don't condemn the whole of any other organisation in this way.

I do condemn the whole organisation because they allow it to go on, cover it up and even protect the guilty party. The catholic church actually has a hush fund that they use to pay off victims and their families in return for their silence. Please try to justify to me how that is in any way acceptable?

I will never try to justify that which is patently unjustifiable such as this and don't know any Christian who would. I am not a Catholic so am not able to speak for the Catholic church.

You certainly shouldn't be ashamed of being an atheist but neither should someone for being a Christian.]


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Torry_Quine

notanewuser wrote: »

People are animals. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Even if you believe that surely you put people above 'other' animals.

Fosterdog

Torry_Quine wrote: »

Even if you believe that surely you put people above 'other' animals.

But what about other religions? Some worship animals and believe them to be gods, why is your's the right god and theirs the wrong one?

Ancient Egyptians worships cats and the sun among others. Cattle are sacred in other religions and their lives are valued higher then some people's.

I personally believe that a life is a life, I don't count the life of a fish as any less valuable than the life of a human.

peachyprice

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I do believe we are all equal though whatever our beliefs. People are always more important than animals. I certainly don't think I am more important than anyone else.

How, if we are all equal regardless of belief, does what someone else believe insult you? Why does it matter to you if someone else feels their cat is more important than your god.

Why, if we are all equal, do you think it's ok to tell someone who doesn't believe the same as you, that they are going to hell when they die? You don't think we are all equal, you think are going to a better place because you believe in god.

Torry_Quine

Fosterdog wrote: »

But what about other religions? Some worship animals and believe them to be gods, why is your's the right god and theirs the wrong one?

Ancient Egyptians worships cats and the sun among others. Cattle are sacred in other religions and their lives are valued higher then some people's.

I personally believe that a life is a life, I don't count the life of a fish as any less valuable than the life of a human.

Interesting point but we'll have to disagree here. I could never think a fish as being as valuable as a human being. I presume you are vegetarian or vegan?

peachyprice wrote: »

How, if we are all equal regardless of belief, does what someone else believe insult you?

Why, if we are all equal, do you think it's ok to tell someone who doesn't believe the same as you, that they are going to hell when they die? You don't think we are all equal, you think are going to a better place because you believe in god.

I do think we are all equal as we all have the chance to follow God or not. As you don't believe then obviously you don't think believers go to a 'better' place.

peachyprice

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I do think we are all equal as we all have the chance to follow God or not.

And if we don't we go to hell. That is not equal is it.

As you don't believe then obviously you don't think believers go to a 'better' place.

I may not believe you are going to heaven, but it doesn't bother me that you believe you are.

However, the fundamental difference is that I don't think you're condemned to go to a bad place because you believe. You think non-believers are.

Fosterdog

Torry_Quine wrote: »

Interesting point but we'll have to disagree here. I could never think a fish as being as valuable as a human being. I presume you are vegetarian or vegan?

No I'm not, I eat meat. I do only eat locally sourced meat from a few select farms that I know are as ethical and humane as possible in their treatment of the animals, if I eat out I eat vegetarian. This doesn't mean that I don't value the life of the animal, eating other species and even cannibalism is a natural food source for millions of species.

Believing that all life holds value doesn't mean that the flesh of some is not a very good food source. But I'm the sort of person who also believes that if a tiger kills a human for food then they should not be hunted down and destroyed as they are only fulfilling a basic need for food, no different to humans keeping hundreds of cows confined to a shed leading a completely unnatural life just to feed us.