Man dies over disabled parking space

leedsmodus

did not deserve it but why dont these people mind their own

ska_lover wrote: »

I find you absolutely vile.

Richie-from-the-Boro

leedsmodus wrote: »

One must address the issue of the busy bodies of the older generation. Blue badges do not count on private land. I park in asda with out my badge, the badge i have does not apply on private land. and yes if an old man or anyone told me off i would not display it i would tell then to mind their own f***** business

- agreed .. .. one must address ignorance .. .. in any generational slice
- Blue Badges count on any private land that gives special permission
- selected ASDA do give that 'special permission'

If you park on private land, such as supermarket and cinema car parks, your blue badge may not give you any special permission to park. You will need to check the signs for any rules about whether you can use your badge.

ASDA decided to fulfil the duty to make reasonable adjustments for disabled people by providing bays which are close to the shops for badge holders, and erected signage clearly notifying Blue Badge bays and a requirement in its terms of parking that any driver wishing to park in these bays would display a valid disabled badge, or face liability for a parking charge.

So the badge counts in ASDA, its in their clearly displayed 'terms and conditions for the use of the bays, displayed clearly in their car park, and often enforced in real time on the ground by private 'security operatives' contracted by ASDA to 'enforce' their parking rules. I've read it - you've read it - we understand the complexities of the Blue Book rules - whether the blue book rules apply on private property I suspect not.

What we know as reported to the papers is Watts is not himself disabled and works every day, his neighbours claim Watts wife is not disabled. As to whether both Alan Watts and Brian Holmes both had both a badge and the ASDA defined 'rights' [the 'wife was in the car' applies in this legal case] to the bay remains to be seen. No one knows, or will know, long after the court case and the case law is written. You don't know - I don't know and the papers don't know what really happened. We will wait for the outcome. ASDA however is private land, they do have Blue Badge bays and rules, liability for a parking charge Blue Badge infringement, and they enforce it, and a very good thing for the disabled.

tokenfield

markmarkmark wrote: »

Yes, it's Andy back under another user id. You can tell his trolling posts straight away, he doesn't fool the genuine posters here who are able to pick him up easily. Best to ignore him or report for posts like that "he deserved it" one. He is seriously sick in the head to get his pathetic kicks from hiding behind a keyboard like the cowards trolls really are, especially for picking on a disabled board.

Maybe as per the current news stories about net bullying, there should be a "name and shame" enforcement on forums especially for such people? I don't think they would be very happy with their relatives and neighbours knowing about their dirty little secret?

What are you on about?

schrodie

markmarkmark wrote: »

Maybe as per the current news stories about net bullying, there should be a "name and shame" enforcement on forums especially for such people? I don't think they would be very happy with their relatives and neighbours knowing about their dirty little secret?

This particularly nasty (multi-user) troll has been reported for his vile post above regarding the man who was killed.

markmarkmark

schrodie wrote: »

This particularly nasty (multi-user) troll has been reported for his vile post above regarding the man who was killed.

I did the same and the relevant post on page 1 has been already been deleted by the mods. If we all reported his insensitive and deliberately insulting and provocative posts the board would be a lot better off without the creep.

schrodie

markmarkmark wrote: »

I did the same and the relevant post on page 1 has been already been deleted by the mods. If we all reported his insensitive and deliberately insulting and provocative posts the board would be a lot better off without the creep.

Good. I can't believe that this sicko is still being allowed to post his sick drivel on MSE, he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about anyway.

Unfortunately though he'll just come back in a different AE like he's done on previous occasions.

Brassedoff

markmarkmark wrote: »

I did the same and the relevant post on page 1 has been already been deleted by the mods. If we all reported his insensitive and deliberately insulting and provocative posts the board would be a lot better off without the creep.

"Listen here Son, these wounds were the price I paid to ensure you can take the opposite opinion. The pain I have from them is so you can express that you do" my Grandad telling my Dad why he was entitled to express his view to a teacher. I never met him because he died from them before I was born.

Censoring forums is the first step in the killing off of the medium.

schrodie

Brassedoff wrote: »

"Listen here Son, these wounds were the price I paid to ensure you can take the opposite opinion. The pain I have from them is so you can express that you do" my Grandad telling my Dad why he was entitled to express his view to a teacher. I never met him because he died from them before I was born.

Censoring forums is the first step in the killing off of the medium.

It's all very well taking the opposite opinion but when expressed in such an offensive manner as Andy did that is a different manner which hopefully your grandfather wouldn't have condoned.

I'm sure your grandfather was a very nice man though!

markmarkmark

It's a forum with rules, and the rules are generally to be polite and respectful to other posters, it's perfectly possible to play devil's advocate within those criteria without offence and good for debate and making up your mind from different viewpoints. So it's not really about censorship but about degrees of offence?

Being obviously disagreeable and deliberately destructive to what may be fragile and sensitive people seeking help with life's big problems is pretty easy to discern and it's a matter of judgement up to the mods. By deleting Andy's first post they showed good judgement in this case I believe, since it was particularly offensive before all the facts of the case were known, let alone effectively saying anyone deserved to die.

Richie-from-the-Boro

A direct quote from MSE : "Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 2010

The forums are already heavily censored, and in a particularly clunky way by MSE. So badly performed that good posters are on one level 'warned off' and on another level much worse .. .. many have their accounts suspended or closed for 'outing' Andy&Flo.

While at the same time MSE allow those with relentless mawkish trolling to flourish, consistently causing intentional unnecessary hurt and suffering to fragile individuals, quite what sick pleasure and gratification this troll imagines s/he gets from their distorted use of the forum I've no idea but then I am a normal human being, normal in the sense that I don't suffer from Andy&Flo's malardies - - and all this in the name of free speech.

- now watch this # post disappear, or worse..................