no pay rise for 5 years

Southend1

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

1) its not a paycut, the cost of living is irrelevant to your wage
2) the MP's didn't vote for it themself

The cost of living is very relevant to wages. Especially for those on average or below average incomes.

tir21

AP007 wrote: »

So the OP can be easily replaced

most people can be easily replaced. although there are obviously costs involved in recruiting and training new staff.

plus they know i can do my job without crashing the company vehicle. they know that i am never late or have more than the odd sick day. they know i wont get sick of the job and leave them with no notice. they know im not a drug or alchohol abuser

AP007

tir21 wrote: »

most people can be easily replaced. although there are obviously costs involved in recruiting and training new staff.

plus they know i can do my job without crashing the company vehicle. they know that i am never late or have more than the odd sick day. they know i wont get sick of the job and leave them with no notice. they know im not a drug or alchohol abuser

Yes and? Would they rather do that or have someone threaten them?

tir21

silverwhistle wrote: »

You've nbo idea of the financial state of your company?

Why not? It does suggest that you don't have a particularly important role there, or could be fairly easily replaced.

i never said i had a particularly important role. if its only people with particularly important roles who get pay rises then this country will be a wasteland in a few years time because most of the country will only have enough money for food and housing.

On the other hand you shouldn't just take the company's word that they have no problems with recruitment.

do i call them liars?

Perhaps they offer new staff more?

maybe i should resign and reapply

You're coming on here complaining, and it's not a great situation to be in, but you really should:
- find out how healthy the company and sector are (and you really should know this already unless you are a minimum wage grunt),

what type of prat refers to anyone as a minimum wage grunt?

- find out what colleague are earning or whether they have had pay rises (be discreet!), directors' pay normally needs to be published so that's a useful guide..
- find out what the market rate for your job is,
- start looking for alternatives.

the market rate is as far as i am concerned the rate i was doing it for 5 years ago

tir21

AP007 wrote: »

Yes and? Would they rather do that or have someone threaten them?

thats for them to decide.

threatening to leave is not really threatening them anyway. its just making it clear that you cannot afford to keep working there

buglawton

falko89 wrote: »

The problem with that is there is an endless supply of people looking jobs these days, I know in previous jobs it was rare for someone to leave and unheard of for someone to get sacked, in my current job we have people starting and leaving every month.

Such an endless supply of job seekers, that more arrive on these shores daily.

tir21

buglawton wrote: »

Such an endless supply of job seekers, that more arrive on these shores daily.

its supposed to be good for the economy though apparently so dont complain

its not as if money is important. im sure call me dave would not mind competing in the job market with immigrants

AP007

tir21 wrote: »

thats for them to decide.

threatening to leave is not really threatening them anyway. its just making it clear that you cannot afford to keep working there

Most companies love a good 'if I don't get more pay I will look for a new job'. I suggest if you have never tried that do and Id love to hear what they say

Southend1

AP007 wrote: »

Most companies love a good 'if I don't get more pay I will look for a new job'. I suggest if you have never tried that do and Id love to hear what they say

A few years back I was earning £13250 pa and struggling with the bills. I asked several times for a rise but nothing doing, so got a new job with a start salary of £16500. On handing in my notice, the manager asked how much I would want to stay on. I replied £18,500 pa. She said fine, ok, effective immediately. Too late though as I had already decided to leave. Their loss.

So it does work sometimes, but OP's best chance of he wants to stay on at his current job is to join a union and become active within it. There's more clout in that than bargaining individually for a rise.

tir21

AP007 wrote: »

Most companies love a good 'if I don't get more pay I will look for a new job'.

why would they love it?