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stir_crazy

19lottie82 wrote: »

That drugged person maybe, but tbh you've prob engaged in conversation with plenty of stoned / coked up people at some point or another, and not even realised it.

also, chances are you relative was prob drunk as well as on drugs.

You can spot a stoned or coked up person from a mile away if you've seen it before. Just as you can spot a drunk person. And no they don't drink - because they don't like the hangover ironically..

TopQuark wrote: »

No. Like everything, it's about the dose. The evidence is staring you in the face; alcohol is the most harmful drug, especially when it comes to inflicting harm on other people.

I agree about the dosage, which is why I mentioned the one glass and the one or two joints. I don't really agree with the fancy graph you posted.

peachyprice

stir_crazy wrote: »

The thing for me though is that you can have one glass of wine and be relatively unaffected, still make good judgement calls, remember the next morning (even the hangovers are less). Not the case with a lot of drugs (a joint or two possibly being the exception).

It's actually the case with most drugs that are used recreationally. A line of coke isn't going to make you off your face, neither is speed, or ecstasy. Most common drugs used in moderation have the same effect as alcohol used in moderation.

Of course there will be coke, heroin, speed addicts and crack users that are constantly off their face, just the same as there are alcohol abusers.

It seems that a lot of people on this thread cannot grasp the fact that people can use drugs responsibly, they seem to be under the impression that it's all or nothing, either you don't use drugs at all or if you do you're instantly a quivering mess, it really isn't the case at all.

It sounds like your close relative was probably way beyond the recreational user stage if they were using in an inappropriate situation.

TopQuark

stir_crazy wrote: »

I don't really agree with the fancy graph you posted.

LOL!!!

That graph is from a peer-reviewed article in the world's most prestigious medical journal, the Lancet, by Professor David Nutt, the UK government's former advisor on drugs.

Funnily enough, they also found the scientific evidence inconvenient and sacked him.

stir_crazy

peachyprice wrote: »

It's actually the case with most drugs that are used recreationally. A line of coke isn't going to make you off your face, neither is speed, or ecstasy. Most common drugs used in moderation have the same effect as alcohol used in moderation.

Of course there will be coke, heroin, speed addicts and crack users that are constantly off their face, just the same as there are alcohol abusers.

It seems that a lot of people on this thread cannot grasp the fact that people can use drugs responsibly, they seem to be under the impression that it's all or nothing, either you don't use drugs at all or if you do you're instantly a quivering mess, it really isn't the case at all.

It sounds like your close relative was probably way beyond the recreational user stage if they were using in an inappropriate situation.

TBH, I find any illegal activity inappropriate. I only mentioned it to point out that out of the two situations, I'd rather be faced with a drunk than someone who has taken drugs. If you have other experiences, then that's great! My experience is that drugs have caused more damage and hurt than alcohol.

neverdespairgirl

kwmlondon wrote: »

Not that cut and dry - my friend got busted with a small amount of cocaine and stupidly said, in an interview "I just got a bit for me and my friends" even the police slapped their heads with their hands! They had to arrest her for intent to supply, but the judge wasn't daft - she's a good person with a stable job and no other convictions, just unbelievably reckless. He gave her a suspended sentence, but she can never got to the USA. Her job as an estate agent was not in jeopardy though!

It is that cut and dried as far as the offence is concerned. The sentence might well be much lighter (as drugs sentences are based on quantity, degree of culpability, previous convictions, and some other factors) but that doesn't mean that you don't get "possession with intent to supply Class A / B / C" on your record.

peachyprice

stir_crazy wrote: »

TBH, I find any illegal activity inappropriate. I only mentioned it to point out that out of the two situations, I'd rather be faced with a drunk than someone who has taken drugs. If you have other experiences, then that's great! My experience is that drugs have caused more damage and hurt than alcohol.

My point exactly, most recreational drug users wouldn't have dreamed of taking anything in a situation where they're likely to offend, they wouldn't want to or need to. It's no different to turning up to Grannies on a Sunday morning having downed a bottle of wine, you just wouldn't.

The damage and hurt of alcohol and drugs has the same result.

stir_crazy

peachyprice wrote: »

My point exactly, most recreational drug users wouldn't have dreamed of taking anything in a situation where they're likely to offend, they wouldn't want to or need to. It's no different to turning up to Grannies on a Sunday morning having downed a bottle of wine, you just wouldn't.

The damage and hurt of alcohol and drugs has the same result.

You have your opinions, I have mine, lets leave it at that and not hijack the thread any longer.

Dimey

peachyprice wrote: »

It's actually the case with most drugs that are used recreationally. A line of coke isn't going to make you off your face, neither is speed, or ecstasy. Most common drugs used in moderation have the same effect as alcohol used in moderation.

Of course there will be coke, heroin, speed addicts and crack users that are constantly off their face, just the same as there are alcohol abusers.

It seems that a lot of people on this thread cannot grasp the fact that people can use drugs responsibly, they seem to be under the impression that it's all or nothing, either you don't use drugs at all or if you do you're instantly a quivering mess, it really isn't the case at all.

It sounds like your close relative was probably way beyond the recreational user stage if they were using in an inappropriate situation.

You folks have really enlightened me. My life is a world away from the kind of lives being discussed here. Please don't think I'm being judgemental. Its just the case that I don't know people who use drugs recreationally nor anyone who abuses drugs or alcohol. And never have done.

I think myself lucky not having drugs in my life. I understand you might think me naive and maybe ignorant. In my ignorance I've become the minority but I am content with that.

I genuinely never realised how prevalent recreational drug taking had become. With my "enlightened" knowledge I can understand peachyprice's post above.

However a wariness deep inside me says with drugs you may not be an instant quivering mess but over a longer period of this moderate use, you have a greater chance of becoming a quivering mess or move onto more addictive drugs where you lose control and do irreparable damage to your insides as alcohol does.

I feel that the mood change drugs and alcohol give you must be seen by your children and some drugs must be smelt by your children, even secondary smoked by your children. That makes me sad as I think it might scare children and might make them want to copy you before they are old enough to learn the pro's & cons and make an informed adult choice for themselves.

Funnily enough I have always felt that the government should eliminate the drugs black market by opening drugs and alcohol pubs. That way if people want to partake (and in my mind are daft enough to partake), its up to them but they can be served clean drugs in correct doses in comfortable safe surroundings. And be made aware of what they are potentially doing to themselves if they do abuse drugs & alcohol.

peachyprice

Dimey wrote: »

You folks have really enlightened me. My life is a world away from the kind of lives being discussed here. Please don't think I'm being judgemental. Its just the case that I don't know people who use drugs recreationally nor anyone who abuses drugs or alcohol. And never have done.

I think myself lucky not having drugs in my life. I understand you might think me naive and maybe ignorant. In my ignorance I've become the minority but I am content with that.

I don't think being unaware of something makes you ignorant at all, an unwillingness to accept the reality would ignorant, but you seem genuinely to accept that there are other people with different lifestyles.

However a wariness deep inside me says with drugs you may not be an instant quivering mess but over a longer period of this moderate use, you have a greater chance of becoming a quivering mess or move onto more addictive drugs where you lose control and do irreparable damage to your insides as alcohol does.

I think that is fear of the unknown, most people who drink quite happily don't think that it will lead to alcoholism and it doesn't for the majority, but there will always people who have a predisposition toward becoming an alcoholic. It's the same with drugs, there are people to can take drugs occasionally and carry on a perfectly normal life, but there are others with the same predisposition towards being perhaps not an addict but definitley a heavier user, that is part of their make up.

I feel that the mood change drugs and alcohol give you must be seen by your children and some drugs must be smelt by your children, even secondary smoked by your children. That makes me sad as I think it might scare children and might make them want to copy you before they are old enough to learn the pro's & cons and make an informed adult choice for themselves.

What makes you think that sensible people would be taking drugs at home around their children? Most would be taking them in an adult environment, not sat at home with the family. I bet the majority of people here who drink at home wouldn't dream of getting plastered in front of their children, but that's not to say that they wouldn't drink far more occasionally on a night out in adult company.

Funnily enough I have always felt that the government should eliminate the drugs black market by opening drugs and alcohol pubs. That way if people want to partake (and in my mind are daft enough to partake), its up to them but they can be served clean drugs in correct doses in comfortable safe surroundings. And be made aware of what they are potentially doing to themselves if they do abuse drugs & alcohol.

It worked in the Netherlands, right up until the EU smoking ban

bitemebankers

Dimey wrote: »

My life is a world away from the kind of lives being discussed here. Please don't think I'm being judgemental. Its just the case that I don't know people who use drugs recreationally nor anyone who abuses drugs or alcohol.

Sure you do. At least, I'd put a substantial wager on it. Assuming that you're not a recluse, you will know people who use drugs recreationally. What they don't do is to tell you about it.

In much the same way, most people would say they didn't know anyone who was gay back in 1950. Of course, they did, they just didn't realise it.

I think myself lucky not having drugs in my life.

I assume you're tee-total and have never smoked or drunk tea or coffee then?

However a wariness deep inside me says with drugs you may not be an instant quivering mess but over a longer period of this moderate use, you have a greater chance of becoming a quivering mess or move onto more addictive drugs where you lose control and do irreparable damage to your insides as alcohol does.

Of course, there are risks with anything that brings pleasure. I don't think anyone would deny that. However, life is there to be enjoyed, and the risks associated with many illegal drugs are pretty low. Taking MDMA (Ecstasy) for example, is less dangerous than horse riding.

Of course, MDMA is a particularly safe drug - far safer than alcohol - and horse riding is a particularly dangerous sport. But you get the picture.