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The point is that the legal recreational drugs (alcohol, tobacco) are much more harmful than many banned substances. Unless your entire social and familial circle consists of tee-total, non-smokers, then you already inhabit such a 'world'.
My grandfather was an alcoholic and died of liver cirrhosis. Both of my parents have COPD caused by smoking tobacco, which will kill them. On the other hand, I know no-one who has or is killing themselves with 'recreational drugs'. We've all got an anecdotal story to highlight our point, which is why we need to stick to the scientific facts.
Having an 'occasional drink' is no different to occasionally taking a pill, but you are more likely to do yourself and other people harm with the former.
Tell that to the parents of the youngsters who have taken Ecstasy and then died.0 -
Tell that to the parents of the youngsters who have taken Ecstasy and then died.
Nowhere near the number of parents whose children have died due to alcohol I'm afraid.
Do you know how many people die in the UK each year from ecstasy related deaths? In 2001, it was 56.
Also those who do die taking "ecstasy" usually have a bad reaction to other chemicals that ate used to "cut" (mix) the drugs, not from MDMA (the active ingredient.0 -
At the end of the day it all comes down to opinions (and communication of them). Your opinions will shape how you react to the OPs dilemma. If you think it's fine to use drugs recreationally then you won't have the same reaction as someone who doesn't. (And your view is NO more valid than theirs).
The same is true for all the relationship 'dilemmas' on here - 'my husband watched !!!!!!'; 'I want a baby but he doesn't' etc etc. As with most of these style dilemmas the problem comes when the two partners' views on the subject aren't compatible. Regardless of whether I, or you, think drugs are ok. What matters is the OPs view, and her husbands. If they aren't compatible they need help to either overcome it or move on.
As I have said - just because lots of people take drugs it does not make it right. Lots of people speed in cars - doesn't make it right. (And yep I am one of them). I am not as high up on my horse as TopQuark would like to believe. I do have some tolerance and I do love MrD deeply. If he came home tonight and told me he'd taken some drugs last night, I would be shocked and unhappy but I wouldn't leave him immediately. If however he carried on taking them I simply could not be with him because it is not compatible with my views.
Fortunately for me I am married to someone who shares my beliefs on all the important things.0 -
19lottie82 wrote: »Cannabis does not cause cancer.
I suggest that you read this :- http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-help/about-cancer/cancer-questions/does-smoking-cannabis-cause-cancer
I know of the death of five people whose deaths can irrefutably be traced to the smoking of cannabis.0 -
No. Like everything, it's about the dose. The evidence is staring you in the face; alcohol is the most harmful drug, especially when it comes to inflicting harm on other people.
But... like it or not, alcohol is legal for consumption by adults... controlled drugs are, well, controlled... and not legally available for recreational use.peachyprice wrote: »It seems that a lot of people on this thread cannot grasp the fact that people can use drugs responsibly......
... and it seems that some people on this thread do not grasp the fact that illegal drugs are ILLEGAL!
Using illegal substances is not being responsible - it is an unlawful act.dandelionclock30 wrote: »All these people with holier than thou attitudes makes me laugh. I bet you drink wine and beer, the difference is probably that alcohol is miles worse for your health than speed or cocaine and the deaths per year, thousands for alcohol.
Any drinker can never ever be a judge of a drug user.
No... the difference is that the LAW of the land says that alcohol is legal and that certain classes of drug are illegal.
There can be no comparison in legislation.:hello:0 -
The point is that the legal recreational drugs (alcohol, tobacco) are much more harmful than many banned substances.
But this (and your graph) have no purpose on this thread other than taking it off topic. You clearly have your own agenda (pro drugs). The OPs husband is not drinking or smoking, he has taken drugs. End of. She does not need (nor do the rest of us) a lecture on whether drugs are good/safe/blahblahblah. She wants to know how the rest of us would react and whether she is 'ok' to react in the say she has. And for some of us - yes she is well within her right to feel how she does. As I said to you before - who are you to tell any of us that our opinions are wrong?0 -
I suggest that you read this :- http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-help/about-cancer/cancer-questions/does-smoking-cannabis-cause-cancer
I know of the death of five people whose deaths can irrefutably be traced to the smoking of cannabis.
I have read it. It tells us that "Some" studies show there is a "chance" cannabis "could" be linked to cancer, it also says others show no links at all. And how many things in today's modern world, have the same said about them? Diet coke, aerosol deodorant?
1/3 of us will get cancer at some point right? If so you don't know it was linked to cannabis. It's just an assumption you have made with no scientific backing.
If your friends smoked their cannabis with tobacco, or drank alcohol, then those are proved to cause cancer, so are much more likely to be a factor.0 -
19lottie82 wrote: »I have read it. Some studies show there is a "chance" cannabis "could" be linked to cancer, it also says others show no links at all. And how many things in today's modern world, have the same said about them? Diet coke, aerosol deodorant?
1/3 of us will get cancer at some point right? If so you don't know it was linked to cannabis.
If your friends smoked their cannabis with tobacco, or drank alcohol, then those are proved to cause cancer, so are much more likely to be a factor.
As I said, the friends who died did NOT smoke tobacco .....they argued that their cannabis was far more pure than baccy ... two died from COPD, and three from lung cancer.
You wish to justify the partaking of illegal substances is just that.
And I do know that cannabis can in some cases alleviate the symptons of other diseases.0 -
But this (and your graph) have no purpose on this thread other than taking it off topic. You clearly have your own agenda (pro drugs). The OPs husband is not drinking or smoking, he has taken drugs. End of. She does not need (nor do the rest of us) a lecture on whether drugs are good/safe/blahblahblah. She wants to know how the rest of us would react and whether she is 'ok' to react in the say she has. And for some of us - yes she is well within her right to feel how she does. As I said to you before - who are you to tell any of us that our opinions are wrong?
Why don't you ask yourself the same question??
The graph is not mine, it's Professor Nutt's.
The purpose of my posts was to highlight the fact that, putting the issue of legality to one side for one moment, the OP's husband taking recreational drugs need not be the end of the world and that in fact the legal substances he probably also takes are more likely to do him and his family greater harm.
The infidelity would be a much more serious issue for me.Remember Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation is usually the right one.
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Why don't you ask yourself the same question??
The graph is not mine, it's Professor Nutt's.
The purpose of my posts was to highlight the fact that, putting the issue of legality to one side for one moment, the OP's husband taking recreational drugs need not be the end of the world and that in fact the legal substances he probably also takes are more likely to do him and his family greater harm.
The infidelity would be a much more serious issue for me.
The fact that he has the drugs and is dealing in them is, in my opinion, far more serious. That and the fact that he lies.0
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