pulling into bus lane to let police car pass

smashingyour...

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Don't worry, it's the same with any thread, on any forum. You will always get people who insist they are right just because they think they are, and not because they have any knowledge on the subject.

And then you will also get trolls who will argue just for the sake of arguing.

So which one do you fall into?

We have yet to see you state your qualifications or experience on such matters.

alastairq

We have yet to see you state your qualifications or experience on such matters.

Really rather irrelevant? [!!!!ing contests always are]

What matters is, acceptable, logical argument, or links to facts [which in themselves may be arguable?}

Aretnap

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

That's not the way I read it. But anyway, for any emergency service to allow their staff to drive under blue light conditions with out training would be in breach of health and safety laws.

I don't see how you can (correctly) read it any other way; it's fairly clear that it's only talking about a subsection 2 exemption. And it seems that the DfT agrees with me. This consultation document says that but for s19 of the Road Safety Act which you quote above

There would be no legal requirement for a driver to be trained at driving safely at high speeds when using a vehicle for a purpose that is exempt from speed limits. Existing organisations have operational procedures in place that largely replicate the proposals, but these are not legally binding.

Section 19 hasn't been implemented yet, or at least I can't find it in any of the commencement orders and the consultation document says that the DfT plans to commence it sometime this year subject to legislative constraints. In the meantime an untrained police driver who breaks a speed limit where necessary isn't committing an offence - at least not a road traffic offence.

missile

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

You know absolutely nothing about my training. So you can't comment on it.

Changes in training were being made before 2010, to make up for shortcomings in training that existed previously.

Post 13 was one persons opinion of one particular occasion, and can not be taken as evidence. Posts 109 and 111 are your posts, so can be disregarded anyway.

You still haven't said where your expertise comes from. All you have said is it is in your opinion. From what you have told us so far nothing you have said says that you are qualified to judge.

One persons evidence is as good as mine (or yours). Unless you are calling him names too i.e. a liar?

Correct, I know absolutely nothing about you and you know nothing about me.

The extensive <LOL> three week training course that you(?) attended is now ...... long ?

missile

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Don't worry, it's the same with any thread, on any forum. You will always get people who insist they are right just because they think they are, and not because they have any knowledge on the subject.

And then you will also get trolls who will argue just for the sake of arguing.

Strange coincidence that you are involved in such discussions on many of those posts.:A

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

That's not the way I read it. But anyway, for any emergency service to allow their staff to drive under blue light conditions with out training would be in breach of health and safety laws.

Seems you are an expert on law too. Prey tell, what health and safety law would that be? :kisses3:

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

You have just proved your ignorance on the subject...I rest my case!! :rotfl::rotfl:

Another well reasoned comment. :T

Jamie_Carter

missile wrote: »

One persons evidence is as good as mine (or yours). Unless you are calling him names too i.e. a liar?

Correct, I know absolutely nothing about you and you know nothing about me.

The extensive <LOL> three week training course that you(?) attended is now ...... long ?

Who said I had been on the "extensive <LOL> three week training course" that you keep harping on about? My courses have been very different to that one. But although I qualified many years ago, when things weren't as stringent as they are now, by driving is still assessed on regular refresher courses.

However when you consider that it is possible to take a crash driving course in one week and be given a driving license. it is a much bigger step to go from not driving at all, than it is to take an existing driver, and train them to drive panda cars on blues. Especially when you consider that it isn't the advanced course, so there are limitations. And even then people can be taken off driving on blues if they aren't deemed competent, as they also can be on their refresher course.

But then you wouldn't know about any of the above, as you obviously haven't taken any course to drive on blues, then how can you possibly know what is adequate? After all you even thought that the majority of the course was in the classroom. :rotfl:

Jamie_Carter

missile wrote: »

Strange coincidence that you are involved in such discussions on many of those posts.:A

Seems you are an expert on law too. Prey tell, what health and safety law would that be? :kisses3:

Another well reasoned comment. :T

Yet again you have shown that all you can do is get personal.

No I'm not an expert on law, but I am IOSH qualified (missile quickly googles IOSH). And any employer who allowed their staff to be put in a dangerous situation of allowing their staff to drive on blues, without any training, would be negligent, and could be open to prosecution.

Anyone with even limited health & safety knowledge could work that one out.

I should point out that it is you who has taken this thread off topic by your irrelevant insulting comments. Your opinion with regards to amount of training blue light drivers receive, which is based on your complete lack of knowledge, is irrelevant to the thread.

smashingyour...

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Yet again you have shown that all you can do is get personal.

No I'm not an expert on law, but I am IOSH qualified (missile quickly googles IOSH). And any employer who allowed their staff to be put in a dangerous situation of allowing their staff to drive on blues, without any training, would be negligent, and could be open to prosecution.

Anyone with even limited health & safety knowledge could work that one out.

I should point out that it is you who has taken this thread off topic by your irrelevant insulting comments. Your opinion with regards to amount of training blue light drivers receive, which is based on your complete lack of knowledge, is irrelevant to the thread.

So you're a ealth and safety man who's never driven on blue lights in anger?

Thanks for cleaning that one up.

Jamie_Carter

smashingyour... wrote: »

So you're a ealth and safety man who's never driven on blue lights in anger?

Thanks for cleaning that one up.

Not at all, I've been blue light qualified for about 20 years, and still drive on blues now. If I was a health & safety man then I would be NEBOSH qualified.

Have you never heard of people gaining other qualifications that will assist them in their profession?

neilmcl

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Not at all, I've been blue light qualified for about 20 years, and still drive on blues now. If I was a health & safety man then I would be NEBOSH qualified.

Have you never heard of people gaining other qualifications that will assist them in their profession?

Don't bother, the guy's probably not even taken his GCSEs yet. :rotfl: