pulling into bus lane to let police car pass

Jamie_Carter

missile wrote: »

Actually I do, but it doesn't really matter, as obviously your opinion is law and anyone who disagrees is obviously wrong.
It would seem this police driver did not follow his intensive / extensive training when tail gaiting the OP. Perhaps he is one of those who require retraining as Supt Alan Greene spoke about?

No you don't, because you would know otherwise, and you wouldn't spout so much rubbish.

So where do you get your expertise from??

Who said anything about tailgating?

Jamie_Carter

missile wrote: »

Actually I do know. Emergency response extremely hazardous job and IMHO the driver training provided is barely adequate. It doesn't really matter, as obviously your opinion is law and anyone who disagrees is obviously wrong.

It would seem this police driver did not follow his intensive / extensive training when tail gaiting the OP. Perhaps he is one of those Supt Alan Greene spoke about?

So you have now edited your post.

So now it is in your opinion that the training given is barely adequate. So what evidence do you have to back this up, apart from a three year old article??? Things do change you know, and often for the better.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

ive got my own peice of advice for dealing with situations like these.

pull to the curb if you can where legal.

do not encroach over the white line of a red light.

do not stop in a box juntion to allow a pass.

do not pull onto white zig zags of a traffic light or zebra crossing etc.

do not pull into bus lanes.

if you have no where to go let the vehicle navigate around you make space if you can and signal your intention if your menouvering to the side of the road.

dont slow down on a dual carriage way or motorway carry on but be mindfull of the emergency vehicle behind you and other cars to the side of you, dont suddenly swerve to the hardhsoulder if both lanes have traffic in them the emergency response vehicle should use the shoulder to navigate the blockage in lanes.

always follow instruction the police give you on foot, like waive you through a junction, or divert you to a part of the road designed for busses.

neilmcl

missile wrote: »

My comment was aimed at this offensive comment and glib assumption

If anyone is guilty of making offensive comments and glib assumptions, it's yourself:

missile wrote: »

The advice is pull over only if safe to do so. No need to pull over, if bus lane is empty the police car can use it.

Police officers are not the brightest. Whatever the emergency might be, they ought not tailgate. That is dangerous driving and you might want to complain to the Chief Constable

missile wrote: »

It seems your "opinion" is based on ignorance.

alastairq

What is of importance on this topic is, the abrupt, almost panicky actions of the general driving public in the presence of a blue-light vehicle...actions based on presumption and ignorance.

It creates endless problems for drivers of vehicles on blue lights...whether an emergency vehicle, or not.

Never mind problems for someone like me, who responds in the correct manner when in the vicinity of blue lights....?

The comments regarding levels of training forget one thing....no matter how effective the training is, the driver is only as good as he/she is, 'on-the-day'.....

I don't 'drive' blue light vehicles....but I post as a trainer!

George_Michael

smashingyour... wrote: »

It's force policy, section 87 makes no reference to any training.

87 Exemption of fire brigade, ambulance and police vehicles from speed limits.

[F1(1)]No statutory provision imposing a speed limit on motor vehicles shall apply to any vehicle on an occasion when it is being used for [F2fire and rescue authority], ambulance or police purposes, if the observance of that provision would be likely to hinder the use of the vehicle for the purpose for which it is being used on that occasion.

[F3(2)Subsection (1) above applies in relation to a vehicle being used—

(a)for Serious Organised Crime Agency purposes, or

(b)for training persons to drive vehicles for use for Serious Organised Crime Agency purposes,
as it applies in relation to a vehicle being used for police purposes.

(3)But (except where it is being used for training the person by whom it is being driven) subsection (1) above does not apply in relation to a vehicle by virtue of subsection (2) above unless it is being driven by a person who has been trained in driving vehicles at high speeds.

That certainly looks like a clear reference to training to me.

Paradigm

alastairq wrote: »

What is of importance on this topic is, the abrupt, almost panicky actions of the general driving public in the presence of a blue-light vehicle...actions based on presumption and ignorance.

Drivers panic because they are not aware of what's going on around them & only react when the emergency vehicle is on top of them!
Regular mirror checks seem to be a thing of the past :mad:

ado

Paradigm wrote: »

Drivers panic because they are not aware of what's going on around them & only react when the emergency vehicle is on top of them!
Regular mirror checks seem to be a thing of the past :mad:

Please add...good seating position, being able to listen for other traffic, awareness of more vulnerable road users, road/weather conditions, minimal distractions in the vehicle...

missile

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

So you have now edited your post.

So now it is in your opinion that the training given is barely adequate. So what evidence do you have to back this up, apart from a three year old article??? Things do change you know, and often for the better.

I edited my post to add more information, is that against your rules?

You may feel three week intensive training that you(?) received is extensive, I don't agree. You will know that of your three weeks much of that time is spent in the class room. In car driving is (usually) done with one instructor and three pupils in the car. IMHO there is barely enough one on one instruction to mitigate the risks inherent in response driving.

You may think that the standard of police training is the same for every force, this is not correct. Officers from Hendon have endless arguments with their colleagues from Tulliallan. Quite rightly each force determines the training requirements applicable to their region. The hazards driving in London are not the same as those facing an officer on a single track road in the highlands. AFIK there is no regulation requiring refresher training.

You criticise that I have only cited ONE man's opinion, ignoring the fact that he is a Senior officer in a position to know far better than I (or you?) then make assertions about uniformity of police training, improvements and refresher training without any justification whatsoever. You may feel that training is better now than it was in 2010, I don't agree.

Please note: This is not an attack on police instructors. Those whom I know do the best they can within ever more difficult budget pressure and time constraints.

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

No you don't, because you would know otherwise, and you wouldn't spout so much rubbish.

So where do you get your expertise from???

I don't want to get into a !!!!ing contest comparing my knowledge, training and qualifications to yours. That is irrelevant to the fact that police drivers should never tailgate other road users as described by leosayer.

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Who said anything about tailgating?

I asked you to comment, see post 13, 109 & 111. I rest my case m'lord

missile

neilmcl wrote: »

If anyone is guilty of making offensive comments and glib assumptions, it's yourself:

I don't want to get into a !!!!ing contest with you either. I stated my opinion and you called me stupid, that is offensive.