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eBay seller concert ticket refund...
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I thought they DID pay more than face value? And that's the whole issue - seller is only offering to refund the face value, not the actual amount paid, as that's all the seller is getting refunded by the promoters.
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So everybody selling on eBay is a business then. Nope they are not.
I've already addressed that.T
But this didn't, this went through PayPal, eBay were not involved, it's over 45 days so PayPal are not interested, eBay don't interested, it's nothing to do with them, it's a person to person transaction.
What you don't seem to understand is that eBay and Paypal have nothing to do with the legal definition of a business. An off eBay sale with a business is still a business to consumer transaction, not a private transaction. I don't see what is difficult to understand about this?Let me throw something out there, you're all assuming the seller bought the tickets at face value, what if they didn't what if they bought them at a premium too? What if they are owed more than the face value?
Who cares? That has nothing to do with the OP.In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces0 -
the_lunatic_is_in_my_head wrote: »What you don't seem to understand is that eBay and Paypal have nothing to do with the legal definition of a business. An off eBay sale with a business is still a business to consumer transaction, not a private transaction. I don't see what is difficult to understand about this?
I never said they did.
What you refuse to accept is that this could be anything other than a business transaction, I simply don't understand why.
A person selling can have a business and personal account. We simply don't have the information to make this a business transaction
Like has been stated this is all assumption without future information from the op's friend.0 -
I never said they did.
What you refuse to accept is that this could be anything other than a business transaction, I simply don't understand why.A friend purchased PINK tickets from a eBay power seller
Implies business to consumer until we hear otherwise.In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces0 -
I never said they did.
What you refuse to accept is that this could be anything other than a business transaction, I simply don't understand why.
A person selling can have a business and personal account. We simply don't have the information to make this a business transaction
Like has been stated this is all assumption without future information from the op's friend.
I agree.
Just because the transaction is through paypal, does not make it a business transaction.0 -
the_lunatic_is_in_my_head wrote: »Implies business to consumer until we hear otherwise.
They didn't buy for an eBay power seller! They were advertised by a power seller. They could also have been advertised by my mates mum, it does not make the sale a business to consumer one!
You're assuming by default it's business without evidence I'm afraid.0 -
They didn't buy for an eBay power seller!
Do what? If you mean from, then yes they did, OK not directly via eBay put that's were the advert took place, that''s what the consumer responded to.They were advertised by a power seller.
Indeed, one who sells lots of tickets.
Good luck running a business but putting forward a convincing argument that one item, similar to your normal inventory, that was sold to a stranger was constituted as a personal sale!In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces0 -
the_lunatic_is_in_my_head wrote: »Do what? If you mean from, then yes they did, OK not directly via eBay put that's were the advert took place, that''s what the consumer responded too.
Indeed, one who sells lots of tickets.
Good luck running a business but putting forward a convincing argument that one item, similar to your normal inventory, that was sold to a stranger was constituted as a personal sale!
Yes I meant from, apologies for not correcting the auto correct. Earlier in the thread the op detailed the seller had just taken over the account etc. etc. so you cannot, without further information say this is a business transaction, there are simply too many unknowns.
Again, what I sell and it's relation to Business or personal sale cannot be defined here without I knowing more from the op...0 -
Earlier in the thread the op detailed the seller had just taken over the account etc. etc. so you cannot, without further information say this is a business transaction, there are simply too many unknowns.
Oh yes, the story from a seller who wants to keep £120, that they took over their eBay account, which is also non-transferable, from someone else. Perhaps the neither of the supposed account owners understand this term?
And regardless of it being a business or not, I'd still be interested in the buyer's rights at being sold an item which is void by the action of selling it.In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces0 -
It's a private purchase between two individuals.
I agree with lunatic that just because it was sold outside of eBay doesn't mean it wasn't a business transaction.the_lunatic_is_in_my_head wrote: »No it is not.
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the manner in which the sale was conducted does not mean this was not a business to consumer transaction (should the seller sell tickets as a business).
If the seller makes a profit (or tries to) in buying and selling tickets, then I think it is reasonable to say that this was a business transaction.
But I don't think that was the point of what visidigi was saying. They started that post with
which I think is completely true.Thing is this is not an eBay transaction. The discussion about power seller etc is moot, this was bought as a private transaction.
It sounds like a business transaction, but not a eBay business transaction.
From an eBay point of view it was a transaction between two individuals. The fact that one of those individuals was carrying out a business doesn't affect the eBay point of view.
So, if you bought these tickets from someone advertising in the local paper and had this problem, would you contact the paper? Maybe. Would they help you get your money back? I doubt it.
eBay is out of the picture. PayPal is out of the picture (particularly due to the time delay).
I think it's a case of negotiate with the supplier (by all means threaten to report it to eBay as part of these negotiations, but don't bank on them helping you) or take it to small claims.0
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