A BB Gun and a Minor Facial Injury

Lunar_Eclipse

keystone wrote: »

r if she were to then the consequences for her at my hand would be severe. She knows that.

Do you mean that you would hit her, or simply that there would be consequences?

Good luck; I don't envy you going through with these talks and potential further fall out, but I'm pleased that your daughter wasn't seriously hurt in the accident.

lovesabargain123

I haven't read the other replies so forgive me if I'm repeating .. But I would ring the police and just lodge it as a complaint just in the off chance the boy does it again!

Funnily enough I rang the police the weekend before last re BB guns. My son had been to the market and bought one costing £15 (he's 15) the officer I spoke to sighed heavily when I asked advice on what to do with it, she told me that unfortunately it's not illegal to have BB guns, however it is illegal for someone under the age of 18 to buy them but if its bought for them there is nothing they can do! When I asked what I should do with it as I wasn't happy with him having it, she just told me to put it in the dustbin!!

Saying that I'd be spitting feathers if it was my child that was injured and if it was my child doing the injury I'd want to know more so I could punish him appropriately!

It's good that the school will talk to him, when my son was involved in a fight right outside the school fence as the kids came out of school the school would have nothing to do with it as it wasn't on their property!

keystone

duchy wrote: »

One thing that occurs to me is this boy was apparently on his own in the park -and your daughter was part of one of two groups both involved ?

No thats not what I said. She was part of a small group of girls and he a small group of boys. At some stage the two Groups came together.

You might want to suggest to your daughter she is a little more picky with her friends.

Yes. I continually show some displeasure at some of those she describes as her friends and steer her away from them.

Cheers

keystone

Lunar_Eclipse wrote: »

Do you mean that you would hit her,

No. I didn't mean that I would raise my hand to her at all. I meant consequences instigated by me. Having reread it I appreciate how those words could easily be misconstrued and I'll try harder to be less equivocal.

or simply that there would be consequences?

Yes thats it.

Good luck; I don't envy you going through with these talks and potential further fall out, but I'm pleased that your daughter wasn't seriously hurt in the accident.

Thank you so much - on both counts.

Cheers

CustardAndPickles

keystone wrote: »

Thank you. Yes I am aware that it will referred to Social Services - the NHS don't have a choice with their reporting structure in thses circumstances. What comes out of that will be and I have no intention of ducking it. If that had been my intention I wouldn't have taken here to A&E in the first place as I was myself convinced that there was nothing in there and the damage was superficial but it was right and proper that it be chgecked out by a professional. i should hold myself in contempt if I had not done so despite any Social Services consequences.

I have to take a little issue with you though over describing the temporary use of the scooter although totally unauthorised as theft. I hear reports most days of the horseplay that goes on in school someone taking something and hiding it or returning it later when the "where is my..." ruckus has died down. These are thirteen year old kids for goodness sake. Its what they do. There is a boundary between these soppy games and actual premeditated theft with the intention to keep. No-one in her year has crossed it yet to my knowledge and if she were to then the consequences for her at my hand would be severe. She knows that.

Cheers

Sorry, I didn't explain that clearly I guess - if this goes to the police it will definitely involve reports to social services. I don't know if the same is true from a trip to A&E.

I appreciate that your daughter has told you she wasn't planning to keep the scooter, but it is possible that if it had / does go to the police, your daughter may end up with a final warning or a reprimand for theft if her actions / what she says when interviewed merit it.

Since you're looking to go through the school it's all (ahem) academic though. Good luck.

pauletruth

keystone how many of your daughters friends were present at the incident. if it was a one on one is vastly different if there was a large group. of them picking on him.

IT WAS NOT SKYLARKING IT WAS BULLYING EXCEPT THAT.

the taking of the scooter is not theft however there are potential charges there.

if there is an history of this then your daughter and her friends are in trouble.

OK YOU CLAIM IT WAS NOT RACIALLY MOTIVATED. HOWEVER IF THE LAD IS NONE BRITISH THEN IF HE FEELS IT WAS THEN ITS AN AGGRAVATING FACTOR. please clear it up was he none british or of an ethnic origin ie traveller.

Its clear that the lad has broken the law and he needs to learn that its not expectable. to have, use or injure a person.

you should be really glad that he did not have a knife.

maybe a little test tell your daughter that your going to the police but mention that bullying and intimidation are serious crimes and the police will investigate both sides. see how keen she is for you to do it. it will tell you how guilty she is.

my daughter was assaulted by 2 s1s when she was in s2. the police became involved and they were cautioned and expelled.

it sounds like he lashed out in fear. im probably wrong but thats how it sounds. if the police get involved it can have an impact on both there futures but your doing the right thing. but leave it for the school to investigate you really should not be there. pretty sure the school won't let you anyway.

prepare to be shocked with what you find out.

Treevo

keystone wrote: »

Eh? What are you talking about "defence"? It was Stuart that introduced the race card not me. As far as the politcal correctness is concverend let me remind you of what I actually wrote which was:

Strangely enough this was a question to another poster in relation how what appears to have been horseplay can suddenly morph into vicious and evil bullying of which we have no evidence in reality (apart from flights of speculative fantasy from people who have even less idea than me) and I have already said that if such does turn out to be the case then she can stand from under. How you manage to convert that in your mind to a "defence" being used by me I have really no idea. I hope you do.

Well your imagination is also clearly running away with you. I have already said I only have one side of the story. The school are facilitating a meeting to get the other half of it and find a resolution that deals with the matter for both the kids sakes. I do not know exactly what happened and excuse me for saying so, it's impertinent for you to suggest that I do. You might also like to revisit what you wrote for I suspect you meant to say "in the wrong light". But I am in entire agreement with the way you actually wrote it.

Cheers

I wrote exactly what I meant to write. You're avoiding answering pertinent questions because it will show your daughter's actions up for what they were - the actions of a bully. Which would be both correct and wrong.;)

duchy

I used to work with thirteen year olds and often once you'd dug a bit their viewpoint of an incident and what actually happened were not too similar -so although I hope the OP isn't shocked ......best to be prepared to find your daughter's version is not the whole story. It isn't lying just their perspective of events isn't quite how we as adults view things quite often !

Calien27

Lashing out in fear still isn't a good reason to shoot a BB at someone, he shouldn't have it in a public place at all.

If you use it responsibly then fine, my brother had a BB gun when he was in his early 20's (he used to shoot cans down the side of the house) however he shoot me with it once (in the bum) and it hurt like hell, our mum binned it after that.

Using it to intimidate or hurt people isn't on, but as I said earlier neither is deliberately upsetting him, but he can't go around popping a BB pellet at people every time someone upsets him. He could end up in a hell of a lot of trouble in the future if he seriously injures someone with it.

keystone

pauletruth wrote: »

keystone how many of your daughters friends were present at the incident. if it was a one on one is vastly different if there was a large group. of them picking on him.

Her plus 2/3 of her friends in one Group and him + 2/3 boys in the other.

IT WAS NOT SKYLARKING IT WAS BULLYING EXCEPT THAT.

On the basis of what I know up to now then I think we will have to agree to disagree on that.

the taking of the scooter is not theft however there are potential charges there.

Thank you I am aware of the latter. It seems a pity that some posters on this thread have been unable to accept the former.

if there is an history of this then your daughter and her friends are in trouble.

Yes I know.

OK YOU CLAIM IT WAS NOT RACIALLY MOTIVATED. HOWEVER IF THE LAD IS NONE BRITISH THEN IF HE FEELS IT WAS THEN ITS AN AGGRAVATING FACTOR. please clear it up was he none british or of an ethnic origin ie traveller.

No I haven't - sorry. All I ever stated that he has a non english sounding name which, as a result, potentially complicates the issue purely because I well understand that it could be an aggravating factor. Thats what makes it complicated unlike the offensive sugegstions by others that it is only complicated because I am myself racist. That doesn't mean he is non British or he isn't. What I have done in connection with this is to ask certain posters to please tell me how the use of the word "terrorist" in whatever context (although it seems to have been rather playfully to me) you like automatically HAS to be construed to be racist. I have asked it at least three times. Nobody has replied. They either don't want to or they can't but its a fairly simple question. They have made the judgement that it was racially motivated purely because it seems to suit them or their agenda to say so. I have also said when I was asked before that I cannot clear up his racial origins. I do not know him, I don't know what he looks like and I'm certainly not going to wake her up now to ask her - straight home, homework, bath and early bed tonight with nothing more discussed. I will find out in the fullness of time possibly even tomorrow morning.

Its clear that the lad has broken the law and he needs to learn that its not expectable. to have, use or injure a person.

Thats correct and I wish after due consideration to accomplish that without involving the Police if at all possible because the latter could do him more harm than good unless he is already a total scrote. If we can't then that is the way it will go. My daughter was not, happily, seriously hurt,. If she had been, trust me, they would have been involved last evening.

you should be really glad that he did not have a knife.

Absolutely.

maybe a little test tell your daughter that your going to the police but mention that bullying and intimidation are serious crimes and the police will investigate both sides. see how keen she is for you to do it. it will tell you how guilty she is.

Thanks for asking. Already done it this morning before she went to school. Her verbal response then and her body language told me she had no problem with it and although I am naturally biased (who wouldn't be) I can assure you there was no intimation of guilt whatseover.

my daughter was assaulted by 2 s1s when she was in s2. the police became involved and they were cautioned and expelled.

I am very sorry to hear that - the former not the latter of course.

it sounds like he lashed out in fear. im probably wrong but thats how it sounds. if the police get involved it can have an impact on both there futures but your doing the right thing. but leave it for the school to investigate you really should not be there. pretty sure the school won't let you anyway.

Good advice - thanks. Although the pointing of the weapon and subsequent events seem to be quite deliberate rather than a fear reaction although I'm not convinced yet that a) he knew it was loaded and b) that he intended to harm her. The way we have left it is that then school will be talking to him to make sure that it was him. Then they will be speaking directly to his parents if that is the case and then they will call me and we move it forward from there. There is always the possibility that his parents don't even know he's got it. Thats why I don't want the BIB hammering on their door out of the blue (pardon the pun).

prepare to be shocked with what you find out.

Am old enough and ugly enough to understand that I might not be entirely happy with what comes out but can only deal with that as and when it arises.

Thanks for your input.

Cheers