A BB Gun and a Minor Facial Injury

keystone

Mojisola wrote: »

It would be interesting to hear how the matter gets settled.

I shall certainly return with the outcome. No worries on that score.

Cheers

Own_My_Own

keystone wrote: »

Oh dear! Please read it. I have requested the school to facilitate a meeting between myself and the boy's parents to discuss the matter calmly and rationally. I only have one side of the story and want both. The Police will not be involved unless they are uncooperative in dealing with it themselves and only then for the future safety of the boy concerned. Is that clear enough?

How the blue blazes am I supposed to know? I wasn't there. In any event what I said was that the gun was fired when she was 20 feet away. They may only have been 10 feet away when he pulled it. I didn't suggest that because I don't know and I'm not about to indulge in speculation. For all they knew it was a brightly coloured toy (it was orange by the way - one of the hallmark colours of a BB gun). Don't make things up to try and justify your increasingly intransigent position please.

And you might like to consider why it was necessary for you to quote the post which suggests that I am a racist and which has already been rebuffed unless it was just to reinforce your own prejudices?

I'm done with this thread now - certainly as regards responding further to yourself unless, that is, you have anything constructive to add - as I do not see why I need to argue with people clearly pursuing an agenda or who demonstrate that they are just out and out keyboard warriors neither of which are at all relevant to the thread.

Bye.

I quoted post 51. The one you said you had used to decide your next action.

Tropez

keystone wrote: »

For all they knew it was a brightly coloured toy (it was orange by the way - one of the hallmark colours of a BB gun).

This is a good point.

While, in theory, I have no issue and see the sensible side of colouring imitation firearms in non-realistic colours as a means to provide clear distinction between a real one, it is also a point that usually innocuous toys such as water pistols are often coloured in the same manner.

Ignoring the potential for filling a water pistol with a chemical and accepting that by-and-large these toys are harmless, while it becomes possible to distinguish between an actual 9mm handgun and a bb gun designed to look that way, there is still an issue where the bb gun is significantly more dangerous a weapon than a water pistol and confusing the two could still have potentially dangerous consequences, particularly amongst children who should have had very limited exposure to bb guns but are very likely to have had large exposure to water pistols and may thus incorrectly associate the colouring of the former with a harmless toy.

stejobeth

If this happened in the park after school does this mean he had the BB gun with him whilst in school. If so, are the school not bothered by this?

Wyre

In some ways the fact that the gun was orange is a relief to me (but makes no difference to the pain caused to the OP's daughter). It means that someone who ought to have known better under either UKARA or VCRA didn't give him the gun!

To buy a RIF (Real Imitation firearm and all that means is firearms/guns that look realistic but are not actually firearms/guns) the buyer has to be over 18, and buying for certain reasons - theatre, tv or film, re-enactment, belonging to an airsoft group, or a crown servant (but must be purchased by the MOD).

The purchase requirements for a two tone are only that the purchaser is over 18.

Eta: I suspect that gun in question was probably orange and black- the law regarding two tones is that 51% of the weapon in question is either:
i) bright red
ii) bright orange
iii) bright yellow
iv) bright pink
v) bright purple
vi) bright blue
vii) transparent

Treevo

So we've had the 'race card' defence and the 'political correctness gone mad' defence too. I'm now under no doubt that the OP is fully aware of what happened but is refusing to clarify because it puts his precious daughter in the correct light.

pinkshoes

keystone wrote: »

I shall certainly return with the outcome. No worries on that score.

Cheers

Good luck with the meeting with the boy's parents.

As a trainee teacher, one thing that has surprised me is how some parents honestly think their little cherubs can do no wrong!!

I've seen so many staff phone home, only to put the phone down and say "well I see where X gets it from them"!!!

Let's hope that the boys parents had no idea he was out and about with a BB gun.

If they did know he had it, then I'd contemplate phoning the police and reporting it, as letting your child run around with a BB gun is just irresponsible!

pulliptears

967stuart wrote: »

Great post, keystone is an idiot.

It's quite possibly to intelligently argue a point without resorting to abusing a poster. In fact, resorting to abuse just makes you look like you aren't that clever and can't rationally debate

gwen80

pulliptears wrote: »

It's quite possibly to intelligently argue a point without resorting to abusing a poster. In fact, resorting to abuse just makes you look like you aren't that clever and can't rationally debate

Great post pulliptears, I started posting something similar myself. If you can't make your point without resorting to insults, you can't debate and don't bother posting!

Rottensocks

Grief! What a thread!

Well, I see it this way: If someone made sexist remarks towards me, and then twanged my bra *twice* and I felt that it was therefore entirely reasonable to shoot him in the face, I'd not be expecting to get away with it lightly!

Verbal abuse isn't a licence to cause physical harm: that is a clear escalation, and really needs dealing with if a 13 year old kid isn't learning to reign in his temper when confronted with groups of other !!!!!y kids. (And I don't mean that as I direct insult to OP's kid, simply that groups of 13 yr olds hanging around in parks are rarely sweetness and light).

Groups of teens are commonly quite unpleasant to each other, but that doesn't make assaults with BB guns okay. Nor does allegations of racism, or sexism, or homophobia or any of those other 'isms'. Violence isn't an appropriate response, as many of the most sucessful campaigners against such 'isms' will tell you.