A BB Gun and a Minor Facial Injury

pulliptears

gwen80 wrote: »

Great post pulliptears, I started posting something similar myself. If you can't make your point without resorting to insults, you can't debate and don't bother posting!

I reported one of their posts earlier in this thread for abuse and in turn I've reported the last one.

There is absolutely no need to call people names because you don't necessarily agree with their point of view.

Keystone, I look forward to the update.

aliasojo

Rottensocks wrote: »

Groups of teens are commonly quite unpleasant to each other, but that doesn't make assaults with BB guns okay. Nor does allegations of racism, or sexism, or homophobia or any of those other 'isms'. Violence isn't an appropriate response, as many of the most sucessful campaigners against such 'isms' will tell you.

I think most people know this. It depends on which way the wind blows round these parts as to what type of responses you get.

Can you imagine the replies had the OP posted...

'My son has just shot a girl in the face with a BB gun. What he did was wrong but he only retaliated to being called a terrorist and having his scooter taken off him for a while. She needs to accept responsibility for provoking him.'

It would be carnage. :rotfl:

keystone

jackieblack wrote: »

:huh: I don't understand What did you decide? :huh:

Im sorry once again. My post 53 (not 51 refers).

Cheers

keystone

Own_My_Own wrote: »

I quoted post 51. The one you said you had used to decide your next action.

I apologise unreservedly to you. I meant 53. I will now be modifying my post in response to yours as some of what I wrote is inexcusible under the circumstances.

Cheers

keystone

Treevo wrote: »

So we've had the 'race card' defence and the 'political correctness gone mad' defence too.

Eh? What are you talking about "defence"? It was Stuart that introduced the race card not me. As far as the politcal correctness is concverend let me remind you of what I actually wrote which was:

Are we going to relentlessly pursue this path of political correctness in this country until one person only has to look at another in an off hand way for it to be described as bullying? Whats next after that - thought crime?

Strangely enough this was a question to another poster in relation how what appears to have been horseplay can suddenly morph into vicious and evil bullying of which we have no evidence in reality (apart from flights of speculative fantasy from people who have even less idea than me) and I have already said that if such does turn out to be the case then she can stand from under. How you manage to convert that in your mind to a "defence" being used by me I have really no idea. I hope you do.

I'm now under no doubt that the OP is fully aware of what happened but is refusing to clarify because it puts his precious daughter in the correct light.

Well your imagination is also clearly running away with you. I have already said I only have one side of the story. The school are facilitating a meeting to get the other half of it and find a resolution that deals with the matter for both the kids sakes. I do not know exactly what happened and excuse me for saying so, it's impertinent for you to suggest that I do. You might also like to revisit what you wrote for I suspect you meant to say "in the wrong light". But I am in entire agreement with the way you actually wrote it.

Cheers

gwen80

pulliptears wrote: »

I reported one of their posts earlier in this thread for abuse and in turn I've reported the last one.

There is absolutely no need to call people names because you don't necessarily agree with their point of view.

Keystone, I look forward to the update.

Me too, I reported the earlier one aswell. There's no need at all, it's totally unnecessary.

CustardAndPickles

Trying to get the school to mediate will be better for both the boy with the BB gun and the poster's daughter.

Reading what's been written by the poster, assuming he's got the full picture from his daughter, the boy is likely to end up with a final warning or a reprimand, both of which will vanish quickly from any kind of criminal record.

The daughter is likely to end up with a final warning for theft (I appreciate the "she wasn't intending to keep it" comment, but children in trouble don't always tell the truth) or at least a warning for harassing the boy (she took his scooter twice, no doubt upsetting and distressing him).

The other children in the park will need to be located and spoken to, everyone will end up being referred to social services (including the daughter), although of course, they may not do anything.

Yeah, school dealing, on the first instance, may well be the best all round.

keystone

967stuart wrote: »

Great post, keystone is an idiot.

Mmmm. So the only way you have to defend your extremist and apologist (would you like me to describe in detail why I characterise it so?) position is childish and pathetic name calling. Perhaps you might like to answer the questions that I have asked (oh probably about three times now) or is it possible that your answers will just expose you even more than you have already done yourself?

Cheers

keystone

CustardAndPickles wrote: »

Trying to get the school to mediate will be better for both the boy with the BB gun and the poster's daughter.

Reading what's been written by the poster, assuming he's got the full picture from his daughter, the boy is likely to end up with a final warning or a reprimand, both of which will vanish quickly from any kind of criminal record.

The daughter is likely to end up with a final warning for theft (I appreciate the "she wasn't intending to keep it" comment, but children in trouble don't always tell the truth) or at least a warning for harassing the boy (she took his scooter twice, no doubt upsetting and distressing him).

The other children in the park will need to be located and spoken to, everyone will end up being referred to social services (including the daughter), although of course, they may not do anything.

Yeah, school dealing, on the first instance, may well be the best all round.

Thank you. Yes I am aware that it will referred to Social Services - the NHS don't have a choice with their reporting structure in thses circumstances. What comes out of that will be and I have no intention of ducking it. If that had been my intention I wouldn't have taken here to A&E in the first place as I was myself convinced that there was nothing in there and the damage was superficial but it was right and proper that it be chgecked out by a professional. i should hold myself in contempt if I had not done so despite any Social Services consequences.

I have to take a little issue with you though over describing the temporary use of the scooter although totally unauthorised as theft. I hear reports most days of the horseplay that goes on in school someone taking something and hiding it or returning it later when the "where is my..." ruckus has died down. These are thirteen year old kids for goodness sake. Its what they do. There is a boundary between these soppy games and actual premeditated theft with the intention to keep. No-one in her year has crossed it yet to my knowledge and if she were to then the consequences for her at my hand would be severe. She knows that.

Cheers

duchy

One thing that occurs to me is this boy was apparently on his own in the park -and your daughter was part of one of two groups both involved ?

Doesn't sound like very fair odds -Not nice to be verbally harassed by a group and I do wonder if this was the first time (not meaning first time for your daughter but first time these groups had harassed him)

You might want to suggest to your daughter she is a little more picky with her friends.