Job center and mental health

sparkycat2

FBaby wrote: »

Why has this thread turned into a discussion as what constitute clinical severe mental health disorders when the point was about those who DON'T suffer from such illnesses yet believe they should be entitled to ESA rather than focusing on getting better?

Because some people took exception to the idea that people who are on long term benefits due to anxiety or depression or other mental health issues simply cannot be bothered to put in the effort to get well and get a job and are claiming to be too ill to work instead. Which is a view you and some other posters were expressing.

Confuseddot

sparkycat2 wrote: »

Because some people took exception to the idea that people who are on long term benefits due to anxiety or depression or other mental health issues simply cannot be bothered to put in the effort to get well and get a job and are claiming to be too ill to work instead. Which is a view you and some other posters were expressing.

I suppose it depends how you read the posts as everything is down to interpretation but I took it that the people were trying to encourage the op to look at different options of dealing with her newly started panic attacks and to maybe suggest doing nothing is not going to help her.

Also the op seems to have contradicted herself in various other posts I think not 100% sure as it did get a bit confusing there, again from my interpreatations it looked like she didn't want to claim JSA so was looking for something else ..... No idea if that is correct but may explain some of the harsher advice given

~Chameleon~

Confuseddot wrote: »

I suppose it depends how you read the posts as everything is down to interpretation but I took it that the people were trying to encourage the op to look at different options of dealing with her newly started panic attacks and to maybe suggest doing nothing is not going to help her.

I don't think anybody is suggesting doing nothing. People have suggested things she may do to try and overcome her difficulties. People have also pointed out that it's not always as clear and dried cut as you may think with mental illness. This has been clearly shown with some of the responses in this thread.

No one is saying it's impossible to work with a mental illness. SDW explained how her husband spent many years working as a teacher, despite his illness. I also worked for 20 years as veterinary surgeon, whilst suffering mental illness. Eventually it became impossible and unsafe for me to continue, so I retired.

I'm now at university studying a degree so I can re-train, into a profession which hopefully will allow me to remain self-employed. There's no way on earth I could ever work full-tine for an employer. I would need far too much time off due to my illness.

Confuseddot

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

I don't think anybody is suggesting doing nothing. People have suggested things she may do to try and overcome her difficulties. People have also pointed out that it's not always as clear and dried cut as you may think with mental illness. This has been clearly shown with some of the responses in this thread.

No one is saying it's impossible to work with a mental illness. SDW explained how her husband spent many years working as a teacher, despite his illness. I also worked for 20 years as veterinary surgeon, whilst suffering mental illness. Eventually it became impossible and unsafe for me to continue, so I retired.

I'm now at university studying a degree so I can re-train, into a profession which hopefully will allow me to remain self-employed. There's no way on earth I could ever work full-tine for an employer. I would need far too much time off due to my illness.

Sorry I don't think I was clear what I am trying to say that the op wanted to come of JSA and claim ESA and do nothing with her life and others were trying to suggest that for most cases that not going to help anything.

my braing not the best taken a whole does of pain killers today so what makes sense to me may be complete gobbled gook for someone else:rotfl:

~Chameleon~

Confuseddot wrote: »

Sorry I don't think I was clear what I am trying to say that the op wanted to come of JSA and claim ESA and do nothing with her life and others were trying to suggest that for most cases that not going to help anything.

my braing not the best taken a whole does of pain killers today so what makes sense to me may be complete gobbled gook for someone else:rotfl:

Don't worry, I'd actually forgotten the OP's original question having read so many similar threads but now you've reminded me, I see what you mean

atrixblue.-MFR-.

i think what thrown the thread was refrences to a certain poster who claimed that because she's a gym bunny everyone she has dealt with at work (JCP staff) should be like her PLEASE PLEASE DONT START THIS TOOING AND FROEING about the subject its wearing thin now.

the OP as i read it thought that because she is getting panick attacks, then she should stop seeking work for a while and claim ESA instead.

now you can read two interpretations on this subject.

1 is that she wants the easy way out and go on the sick becuase she cant be bothered anymore.

or

2.that she should concerntrate on sorting the panick attacks out by going onto ESA to relieve some of the triggers of her panick attacks and better herself then go back into job hunting.

but as we all know even the severe cases of MH wont get through a Atos medical assessment alone, because the descritpors doesnt allow for it in its wording terminoligy, the government made sure they closed the gap on that one.

so to answer the OP's question Yes you are entitled to claim esa, but unfortunately 13-24 weeks is all youll get out of it as you will not pass a assessment via atos, you will then be asked to claim JSA again.

the overwhelming opinion is that you should continue to sign on, but you should also contact5 your GP about your panic attacks and find a way for coping mechanisms other than a non wounder pill like citalopram (if you read the pack it does say that its an AID to depression rather than preventing panic attacks or anxiety).

System

FBaby wrote: »

Totally agree with that, but how many people trying to claim benefits for depression/anxiety have spent recent time in psychiatric hospital? It doesn't appear to be the case of OP. It's those who have never seen a psychiatrist I have an issue with, not those seriously ill.

I never spent time in a psychiatric ward, though was hospitalised overnight on a few occasions for ODs and was under the crisis team and day services. I was pretty much a step away from being hospitalized

FBaby

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

No one is saying it's impossible to work with a mental illness. SDW explained how her husband spent many years working as a teacher, despite his illness. I also worked for 20 years as veterinary surgeon, whilst suffering mental illness. Eventually it became impossible and unsafe for me to continue, so I retired.

But similarly, not everyone who states they suffer from anxiety or depression is actually suffering from a mental illness. As it's been clearly stated, most GPs are not clinically qualified to properly diagnosed the type of depression a patient might be suffering from. Yet how many people are signed off work every day by their GP for depression/anxiety?

~Chameleon~

FBaby wrote: »

But similarly, not everyone who states they suffer from anxiety or depression is actually suffering from a mental illness. As it's been clearly stated, most GPs are not clinically qualified to properly diagnosed the type of depression a patient might be suffering from. Yet how many people are signed off work every day by their GP for depression/anxiety?

Subjective. Depends on the GPs knowledge and experience. My own GP is excellent and is my primary carer. I haven't had access to a CPN for almost 5 years. The only time I see a psychiatrist nowadays is if/when I'm admitted to hospital.

FBaby

I did say 'most GPs' I still have doubts how much support a GP can provide a patient or diagnosed depression when they only get to see their patients for 10 mns. It is different when what is required is maintenance support and they have got to know the condition of the patient well through the years.