An "unprecedented and historic result"

Graham_Devon

mcfisco wrote: »

It's difficult to preach to the BRICs when we still push out much more per capita than they do although we're bringing it down

as for Australia :eek:

https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=en_atm_co2e_pc&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:AUS:CHN:BRA:GBR:IND&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&q=australia+carbon+emissions

It's difficult to preach to any developing nation full stop.

We've developed. To do that we have done everything they are now doing and worse.

It's just that, as we've now done all that and developed we feel we hold some sense of betterment over these countries and can somehow preach their wrongs to them.

We want to stay as top dog. We don't like the fact other nations are removing our wealth from us. So we'll preach to them while conviniently ignoring we did everything the same, and killed many in the process.

Meanwhile, were happy to preach while sending work their way because it's cheaper.

Going4TheDream

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Unprecedented and historic?

With support from just 26% of those who bothered to vote in local elections, where even UKIP admit it's mostly protest voters?

Hardly....

Lets look at the history of "protest vote" parties in the UK....

SDP/Liberals -

- At one point in late 1981, the party had an opinion poll rating of over 50%

-In the 1983 general election, the SDP/Liberal Alliance won more than 25% of the national vote

The Green party

-The Party's greatest ever success came at 1989 European Elections, where the Green Party won 2,292,695 votes and received 15% of the overall vote.

Liberal Democrats

-In the general election held on 6 May 2010, the Liberal Democrats won 23% of the vote and 57 seats in the House of Commons.

-Now heading for electoral annihilation though...

And so on to....

UKIP

-26% of the vote in the 2013 local elections....

UKIP has done well, but it's hardly historic and unprecedented. Seems pretty normal for a protest vote against an unpopular government to me.

But like all protest vote parties, this one is destined to fade away into oblivion soon enough.

Irrespective of why people voted or how many bothered , the fact is they did - and a large number of those chose to stick their fingers up to the lacklustre, similar veined policies and watered down politics that the main parties are currently serving up the public.

Whether this is enough to kick the other parties into realising that is no longer good enough and a sign that they need to 'up their game' remains to be seen but what is interesting it is both supporters from the two main parties that have seen their share of votes drop and it is not a swing from just one party to another.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

ILW wrote: »

As if us putting up a few windmills is going to stop them all wanting cars and aircon.

We live on an island next to an ocean, and wind is free. Makes sense to try and harness it, and other renewable sources.We certainly can't depend on it at present, but it would be silly not to investigate its possibilities just because wind turbines have become stupidly politicised.

StevieJ

N1AK wrote: »

You're supporting a party which is building its support base out of people with views I wouldn't want to associate with. You may not have those ethical qualms, that's your choice, but I'll be honest about the fact that it does make me think less of you that you can just dismiss those views as 'unimportant'.

He seems to float from one protest vote to the next, LibDems last time, and we all know where that ended up

StevieJ

Sampong wrote: »

Various low skilled Jobs and even higher skilled jobs I guess.

They organize trade/jobs fairs over there etc.

I'm sure I have some links somewhere i'll try and find them and post them up later.

I look forward to that. I can see them trying to recruit workers that are already heading our way.

Graham_Devon

StevieJ wrote: »

He seems to float from one protest vote to the next, LibDems last time, and we all know where that ended up

As stated, I didn't vote.

Why make things up?

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

As stated, I didn't vote.

Why make things up?

I didn't either, then again we didn't have an election As good as.

So well done UKIP. Well deserved. Though I have to say, I didn't vote. Working weird and wonderful hours this week and couldn't go to my usual voting haunt so that was that!

ILW

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

We live on an island next to an ocean, and wind is free. Makes sense to try and harness it, and other renewable sources.We certainly can't depend on it at present, but it would be silly not to investigate its possibilities just because wind turbines have become stupidly politicised.

Keep experimenting until they work well enough to make commercial sense. In the meantime lets just use what is most efficient and cost effictive.

ALIBOBSY

The one think I thought about the elections is surely given mid term blues and the way the coalition seemed to be hammered on all sides, the Labour party surely should have expected a MUCH bigger swing to them. Plus the byelection result again is surely bad news, to hold a really safe seat you were virtually guaranteed to win at this point in the parliament BUT losing a big chunk of your majority surely raises questions.

I also thought if the vote shares were translated into a general election then a natural coalition would seem to be UKIP and Conservatives.

Even with 2 years to go I just cannot see ANY party getting enough votes to get a majority.

Ali x

Graham_Devon

StevieJ wrote: »

I didn't either, then again we didn't have an election As good as.

So not voting is just as good as voting for UKIP, therefore, I voted UKIP?

And you accuse me of muddling on threads!?