An "unprecedented and historic result"

Jennifer_Jane

greggymagic wrote: »

Um, I'm pretty sure you don't need a capital letter for country.

X

Haha! Yes, you do when you are describing a specific country. I mentioned "Country" specifically as an alternative name for England. Had I put "country" in that context, it may have conveyed the "countryside" and not the state.

Do keep me on my toes, I enjoy it.

Thank you.

kabayiri

The UKIP phenomenon is proving a useful tool for many it seems.

This is a good thing. I suspect many voting groups feel totally alienated by the mainstream parties. What have the younger next generation got to look forward to but a mountain of state debt? Oh I forgot, retiring when you are pushing 80 most likely. Voting UKIP might just drag the mainstream lot out of their complacency.

How much do you think it would cost to get the Norwegian government over here, on a job lot basis? They seem to have achieved far more than Maggie T and her crew ever did, and without feeling the need to shout about their achievements from the rooftops too.

kabayiri

ILW wrote: »

Greens talk some sense, but most of their policies are rubbish which disadvantage the UK.

All the "green" policies we follow are going to make no difference at all whilst the China. India, Brazil etc are just intent on increasing their own living standards. Carbon in the atmosphere does not recocnise political borders.

We were supposed to be awash with "hundreds of thousands" of green jobs. Do you remember that claim?

I envisioned windmill makers in huts around the country.

It was all fanciful spiel. A lot of the turbine kit comes from the continent.

Still, lets not spoil a soundbite eh.

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

People are concerned about Europe and immigration but they are much more concerned about globalisation (of which these are part), and the way the rich merrily dance round all our national legislation while normal working people are hammered with enormous tax bills to fund their endeavours, while the bedrock of community and stable employment collapses around us to accommodate the mates of people who end up in Westminster.

People are not concerned about globalisation. They don't care that workers in China work 12 hour shifts to make Apples latest gadgets or 500 people die in Bangladesh in a factory fire. As all they want is cheap goods. So that their money can be spent on travelling the world, living in comfortable houses with all mod cons etc. The word I would use is duplicity. Western society as a whole needs to change.

mcfisco

ILW wrote: »

Greens talk some sense, but most of their policies are rubbish which disadvantage the UK.

All the "green" policies we follow are going to make no difference at all whilst the China. India, Brazil etc are just intent on increasing their own living standards. Carbon in the atmosphere does not recocnise political borders.

It's difficult to preach to the BRICs when we still push out much more per capita than they do although we're bringing it down

as for Australia :eek:

https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=en_atm_co2e_pc&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:AUS:CHN:BRA:GBR:IND&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&q=australia+carbon+emissions

Thrugelmir

N1AK wrote: »

It's bad for the Tories because the UKIP vote has come disproportionally from their voters and in many seats that they previously held safely.

The European elections next year may well be Labours wake up call if South Shields is anything to go by.

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

People are not concerned about globalisation. They don't care that workers in China work 12 hour shifts to make Apples latest gadgets or 500 people die in Bangladesh in a factory fire. As all they want is cheap goods. So that their money can be spent on travelling the world, living in comfortable houses with all mod cons etc. The word I would use is duplicity. Western society as a whole needs to change.

I suspect many people 'want' what they are told they can 'have'. We have become a marketeers dreamland.

You are right in what you say. It doesn't sound very sustainable long term though does it?

PaulF81

ruggedtoast wrote: »

This might push the Tories further right, but then they will most likely lose a similar number of moderate voters to the Lib Dems and Labour.

On two issues, Europe and immigration, UKIP are certainly blasting fault lines in the main parties, but they do not look credible as a government.

It was interesting seeing Schapps mumbling about how the government understand peoples disaffection and then listing immigration and Europe; this really shows how out of touch he is.

People are concerned about Europe and immigration but they are much more concerned about globalisation (of which these are part), and the way the rich merrily dance round all our national legislation while normal working people are hammered with enormous tax bills to fund their endeavours, while the bedrock of community and stable employment collapses around us to accommodate the mates of people who end up in Westminster.

labour have lost just as many votes to ukip as the conservatives have. Or, certainly the lib dems (irrelevant) combined with labour have lost more votes than the conservatives.

pqrdef

Thrugelmir wrote: »

So that their money can be spent on travelling the world, living in comfortable houses with all mod cons etc. The word I would use is duplicity. Western society as a whole needs to change.

"The promise of Britain", Miliband was calling it last year. Things are always supposed to get better, not worse.

ILW

mcfisco wrote: »

It's difficult to preach to the BRICs when we still push out much more per capita than they do although we're bringing it down

as for Australia :eek:

https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=en_atm_co2e_pc&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:AUS:CHN:BRA:GBR:IND&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&q=australia+carbon+emissions

As if us putting up a few windmills is going to stop them all wanting cars and aircon.