Measles & MMR

KxMx

If parents were worried about the MMR at the time they should have paid for single vaccines and not played russain roulette with their child's health.

Of course the inevitable outcome people were too ignorant to consider has happened. At a great cost to the public purse I might add! People can and have died from measles, not just in the past but within the last few years a few people including a 15 year old died (sorry don't have the exact facts/figures to hand)

Vaccinations are offered for reasons and damn good ones too.

My mother had a classmate who had been badly affected by polio and this gave her an added incentive to make sure my brother and i had all vaccines offered. This is after she declined thalidomide when pregnant with my brother and subsequently realised she was right to refuse!

I attended school in the US from age 8-10 and you're not allowed in unless you've had all the jabs anyway, so any outstanding would have been done if necessary.

Hiddenidenity

barbiedoll wrote: »

I wonder how many of the people in Swansea (and elsewhere) who have previously refused the MMR jab because it is "3 vaccines in one", have already had their children immunised from the ages of 8 weeks onwards with the diptheria, tetanus, polio, pertussis and Hib vaccine? (Or "5-in-1" as it is commonly known.)

I don't recall reading any posts from anyone who has refused those!

My children haven't had any vaccines at all I refused them all.

Person_one

Hiddenidenity wrote: »

My children haven't had any vaccines at all I refused them all.

Any particular reason?

Hiddenidenity

Person_one wrote: »

Any particular reason?

I read alot at the time and decided against them.

I don't want to turn it into a debate about for and against vaccines lol I just though I'd reply saying there are people who refuse all not just the MMR

heartbreak_star

So you'd rather expose your children to horrendous viruses with potential lasting effects of disability and death?

That's awful

HBS x

VestanPance

Tenyearstogo wrote: »

I trained as an adult RN in 1992, did a child health diploma in 2000 and a nursing degree in 2005. I reviewed scientific papers and research in every one of those courses.

Basic academic review. Hardly an in-depth scientific review. Using scientific papers for research is not equal to a proper review.

Although I'm happy to be disproved when you inform us about clinical trial design using CDASH ODM or internal governance standards, the protocol implementation for a study and how you map those results to SDTM datasets for submission to the regulatory bodies. Including full review and critic of the protocol in how it aligns to what the study is being conducted for and what the entry and exit criteria would be for a study moving between each phase, as you'll obviously understand the phase structure of the protocol and when the study is no longer viable. I'd expect you'll finish up with outlining the thoughts on if that study will pass FDA regulations for drug approval, as well as outlining the statistics of trail failures during each phase and the failure rate for the few that make the submission.

Hiddenidenity

heartbreak_star wrote: »

So you'd rather expose your children to horrendous viruses with potential lasting effects of disability and death?

That's awful

HBS x

Like I said, I read up in great detail on the vaccines and my choice was for both children to not have them.

I didn't say any vile comments about your parenting choices did I?

Tenyearstogo

VestanPance wrote: »

Basic academic review. Hardly an in-depth scientific review. Using scientific papers for research is not equal to a proper review.

Although I'm happy to be disproved when you inform us about clinical trial design using CDASH ODM or internal governance standards, the protocol implementation for a study and how you map those results to SDTM datasets for submission to the regulatory bodies. Including full review and critic of the protocol in how it aligns to what the study is being conducted for and what the entry and exit criteria would be for a study moving between each phase, as you'll obviously understand the phase structure of the protocol and when the study is no longer viable. I'd expect you'll finish up with outlining the thoughts on if that study will pass FDA regulations for drug approval, as well as outlining the statistics of trail failures during each phase and the failure rate for the few that make the submission.

I couldn't do that but then you're moving the goalposts. You said that nurses didn't review scientific journals. You're wrong, we do. You then changed to a specific level of review.

It's like saying you can't kick a ball. I prove I can kick a ball so you say but you can't kick a ball like a professional footballer.

Person_one

VestanPance wrote: »

Nurses aren't scientists, or even doctors. They know nothing about drug studies.

VestanPance wrote: »

Basic academic review. Hardly an in-depth scientific review. Using scientific papers for research is not equal to a proper review.

Although I'm happy to be disproved when you inform us about clinical trial design using CDASH ODM or internal governance standards, the protocol implementation for a study and how you map those results to SDTM datasets for submission to the regulatory bodies. Including full review and critic of the protocol in how it aligns to what the study is being conducted for and what the entry and exit criteria would be for a study moving between each phase, as you'll obviously understand the phase structure of the protocol and when the study is no longer viable. I'd expect you'll finish up with outlining the thoughts on if that study will pass FDA regulations for drug approval, as well as outlining the statistics of trail failures during each phase and the failure rate for the few that make the submission.

Just a quick reminder of your original comment that we've corrected you on VP.

Nothing wrong with occasionally admitting you were wrong.

j.e.j.

KxMx wrote: »

My mother had a classmate who had been badly affected by polio and this gave her an added incentive to make sure my brother and i had all vaccines offered. This is after she declined thalidomide when pregnant with my brother and subsequently realised she was right to refuse!

Yes, people seem to forget that thalidomide was passed as perfectly safe.. until it became clear that it wasn't, by which time the damage had been done