Measles & MMR

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Hiddenidenity wrote: »

Like I said, I read up in great detail on the vaccines and my choice was for both children to not have them.

I didn't say any vile comments about your parenting choices did I?

You'd have a hard job, I don't have any kids - and if I did they would be fully vaccinated with all the combined jabs, for both their protection and the protection of other children who cannot be vaccinated but might die if they caught the diseases - e.g. children with cancer undergoing chemotherapy.

What did you read? Medical reports on the vaccines? Developmental data?

And did you supplement it with any reading about the lasting effects of these diseases on children?

HBS x

VestanPance

Tenyearstogo wrote: »

I couldn't do that but then you're moving the goalposts. You said that nurses didn't review scientific journals. You're wrong, we do. You then changed to a specific level of review.

It's like saying you can't kick a ball. I prove I can kick a ball so you say but you can't kick a ball like a professional footballer.

Student level review and even paper publishing below someone doing a doctorate is extremely unlikely to perform a proper review of a scientific paper.

Anyone can read them, filter out information and present that based on coursework set, but that is a wild world away from a scientific review.

It's like fitting a spark plug in a Ford Fiesta and deciding that due to that you can build the new space shuttle!

Hiddenidenity

heartbreak_star wrote: »

You'd have a hard job, I don't have any kids - and if I did they would be fully vaccinated with all the combined jabs, for both their protection and the protection of other children who cannot be vaccinated but might die if they caught the diseases - e.g. children with cancer undergoing chemotherapy.

What did you read? Medical reports on the vaccines? Developmental data?

And did you supplement it with any reading about the lasting effects of these diseases on children?

HBS x

I did. I also discussed it with medical professionals too including my health visitor, gp and my own nurses dealing with my care.

I choose not too have them you say you will choose too. That doesnt give me the right to say your choices are "awful"

I don't disagree with people who choose to vaccinate their children thats their choice not mine, I wouldn't judge for either.

VestanPance

Person_one wrote: »

Just a quick reminder of your original comment that we've corrected you on VP.

Nothing wrong with occasionally admitting you were wrong.

None of you have proven you know anything about drug studies. In fact so far you've proven me entirely correct. A nurse is an awful source of information if you want to discuss this subject area.

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Hiddenidenity wrote: »

I did. I also discussed it with medical professionals too including my health visitor, gp and my own nurses dealing with my care.

Glad you at least looked at both sides, though I suspect you had your mind made up beforehand?

Well, if your kids are unlucky to get any of the diseases I really hope they a) come through it OK, and b) don't give it to any immunosuppressed kids.

I think I may have mentioned before - if I had my way it'd be compulsory vaccination for any child wishing to attend a public school.

HBS x

Tenyearstogo

j.e.j. wrote: »

Yes, people seem to forget that thalidomide was passed as perfectly safe.. until it became clear that it wasn't, by which time the damage had been done

I think, in fairness, thalidomide was withdrawn over 50 years ago (i think) and scientific studies and drug research is a bit more stringent. We were only just considering that smoking maybe bad for you then too.

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One quite important point that I haven't seen covered by the Media, the Politicians or the professionals is this...

How have we allowed the situation to drift along for 10 years without doing anything? The authorities must have seen unsatisfactory vaccination rates over this period of time, and yet the Swansea outbreak seems to have come as a surprise to them.

It looks like crass incompetence to me.

Tenyearstogo

VestanPance wrote: »

Student level review and even paper publishing below someone doing a doctorate is extremely unlikely to perform a proper review of a scientific paper.

Anyone can read them, filter out information and present that based on coursework set, but that is a wild world away from a scientific review.

It's like fitting a spark plug in a Ford Fiesta and deciding that due to that you can build the new space shuttle!

I'm glad you know so much about my academic history. I'm going to leave you now. I know what I know, you assume you know what I know.

VestanPance

Tenyearstogo wrote: »

I think, in fairness, thalidomide was withdrawn over 50 years ago (i think) and scientific studies and drug research is a bit more stringent. We were only just considering that smoking maybe bad for you then too.

Exactly. When that was in use in the USA African Americans had to sit on the back of the bus and fight for their civil rights, never mind have a chance to become President.

KxMx

j.e.j. wrote: »

Yes, people seem to forget that thalidomide was passed as perfectly safe.. until it became clear that it wasn't, by which time the damage had been done

Even though she had a near miss with it herself she still chose to vaccinate us. Perhaps because she saw the effects of Polio first hand.