Measles & MMR

Person_one

VestanPance wrote: »

Student level review and even paper publishing below someone doing a doctorate is extremely unlikely to perform a proper review of a scientific paper.

Anyone can read them, filter out information and present that based on coursework set, but that is a wild world away from a scientific review.

It's like fitting a spark plug in a Ford Fiesta and deciding that due to that you can build the new space shuttle!

Stop digging now.

Lots of nurses have doctorates, there are even some out there with the job title of 'research nurse'! :eek:

However, even an inexperienced staff nurse or student should know enough about evaluating research evidence to make informed decisions about things like vaccination. That's what we're talking about, right?

Person_one

Hiddenidenity wrote: »

I did. I also discussed it with medical professionals too including my health visitor, gp and my own nurses dealing with my care.

I choose not too have them you say you will choose too. That doesnt give me the right to say your choices are "awful"

I don't disagree with people who choose to vaccinate their children thats their choice not mine, I wouldn't judge for either.

Not all choices are equal, I'm afraid. That's a very modern myth.

j.e.j.

Tenyearstogo wrote: »

I think, in fairness, thalidomide was withdrawn over 50 years ago (i think) and scientific studies and drug research is a bit more stringent. We were only just considering that smoking maybe bad for you then too.

Yes, it was, but we're always part of a process. What we consider to be ok or safe now may turn out not to be, once we find out it isn't! We can't see into the future. No-one at the time had any reason to think thalidomide was unsafe. It had been passed as safe to use.

Hiddenidenity

Person_one wrote: »

Not all choices are equal, I'm afraid. That's a very modern myth.

What do you mean by that?

Person_one

Hiddenidenity wrote: »

What do you mean by that?

I mean what I said, that the trendy idea of 'my opinion and my choices are always just as valid and worthy as anybody else's' is a modern invention and isn't true.

Tenyearstogo

j.e.j. wrote: »

Yes, it was, but we're always part of a process. What we consider to be ok or safe now may turn out not to be, once we find out it isn't! We can't see into the future. No-one at the time had any reason to think thalidomide was unsafe. It had been passed as safe to use.

Exactly, so we have have to rely on the best available evidence at the time.

Hiddenidenity

Person_one wrote: »

I mean what I said, that the trendy idea of 'my opinion and my choices are always just as valid and worthy as anybody else's' is a modern invention and isn't true.

I didnt say that though did I?

Its my choice what I do with my children just like it is her choice when/if she has children and your choice for yours.

No matter how worthy you consider it or how you try and be clever. It doesn't change anything! I said at the very start I wasnt getting into the debate of for and against vaccines. I was clearly responding to something said.

Not everyone who chooses to have the vaccine are right are they? Just like people who dont arent always right.

At the end of the day no matter what is said people WILL have differing views just like any other subject.

KxMx

Whoops, I think I have gotten my female relatives and thalidomide mixed up, but what I do know is the problems were long known by the time it came to me& my brother being vaccinated. Someone in the immediate family had a near miss with it and Mum was familiar with that but, because of the classmate who had Polio, chose to vaccinate us.

I am very thankful she did.

j.e.j.

Polio is pretty much unheard of these days, isn't it?
Due to vaccination and people seeing the awful effects of the disease.

VestanPance

Person_one wrote: »

However, even an inexperienced staff nurse or student should know enough about evaluating research evidence to make informed decisions about things like vaccination. That's what we're talking about, right?

A scientific factual review. I'd disagree they'd be suitable for that at all. Not the people who should be consulted on such matters. Subject experts only.